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I know there is a better way of displaying a 3 x 8 ft banner with this info but it eludes me at the moment. I made 2 white banners but info changed. Client chose the font for business name I want to get away from the red for sure. Thanks for any suggestions.
-------------------- Ken Holden 7 Oaks Signs 18457 Hwy 22 Ponchatoula, LA 70454 Posts: 144 | From: Ponchatoula, LA | Registered: Apr 2005
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You let the client choose the letterstyle? It looks a little to much on the antique side for a spa. But one way to break up the text some more is to use a reverse panel, maybe on the Gift Certificates and reduce the phone number abit.
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well, if you can't switch to a 4x6, then I would at least look for a different font for the 2nd 2 lines. You mention client choosing it "for the business name"... so maybe you can use a more extended looking font to better fit the space &/or reduce cap ht. and kern it wider. I could see teal, burgandy, or even purple for a spa banner.
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Good Starts here. I also suggest that the secondary copy and phone number do not need to be in the "logo" font. I would stretch the phone number out and keep the rest of Joe's layout.
Remember, it's only a banner, not their corporate image/sign.
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"Art is knowing when to stop." Posts: 1578 | From: Gettysburg, PA | Registered: Jun 2003
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Here's my lame attempt. (Don't have the font you used so I substituted) I dislike red so I changed that too. Sometimes a block in the corner can be used for secondary info. I highlighted "Spa" in mine. Love.....Jill Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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Ken, any of this helpful to you in knowing why your first layout wasn't working? I'm not familiar with your work or your level of experience, but layout fundamentals like this (too many ornate letters crammed too tightly to the margins with little priority between message parts), are covered beautifully in Mike Steven's book Mastering Layout. As far as I'm concerned it should be required reading.
ps, if you already read it I'm not trying to bust your chops. We all get stumped sometimes.
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Believe it or not, the Spa part of the name was never mentioned in the 3 weeks of talking to the owner. Si, I changed the color as you did but wasn't sure about it. Jill, I offered a layout and the vertical part was nixed right away. Joe I am still a novice at this and have located a copy of Mike Steven's book but haven't read it yet. I was aware of the problem with 3 lines of the same font but I was focusing on the layout more so than the font selection.
Thanks everyone for the input. Since the client is partial to the red, I will probably use Joe's suggestion put a banner on the second line.
I was distracted by the fact I am using a ghetto computer--the cpu is on it side with a power supply lying next to it because the other one failed without warning and this one will not fit inside the case.
-------------------- Ken Holden 7 Oaks Signs 18457 Hwy 22 Ponchatoula, LA 70454 Posts: 144 | From: Ponchatoula, LA | Registered: Apr 2005
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I like Joe's version - but idn't the "pa" in Spa kinda jacked up? Looks like slightly heavier weight, also. I'd make all the lower case letters the same & align to baseline as well as the period after the o. Maybe try Eurostile Bold or sumthin sans serif for the Phone # in black. . . . my 2 cents. . .Carl
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-------------------- Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 1392 | From: Olive Branch,MS USA | Registered: Nov 1999
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they may be but in my finished drawing I always check alignment. I should have presented a finished drawing. I kinda threw this one out because I was annoyed at myself. The weight does look wrong though, thanks for pointing that out. I'll have to see what happened there
Ken
-------------------- Ken Holden 7 Oaks Signs 18457 Hwy 22 Ponchatoula, LA 70454 Posts: 144 | From: Ponchatoula, LA | Registered: Apr 2005
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quote:Originally posted by W. R. Pickett: ...Ken, STOP making signs NOW, and DO NOT start again 'til you have read MASTERING LAYOUT. (Same for all of yins!)
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yeah, read Don's suggested reading... then you can compliment your client on their children's athletic achievements.. after which you can easily influence them to trust you to choose a decent font.
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Mastering Layout is a great book, and does a good job of explaining complex concepts in simple terms.
If I were to summarize the message of the book, it would be that each element of a sign should get a chance to speak on its own. The most important message should read first, followed in turn by each of the subordinate messages.
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O Great Sign God Billy Pickett, Instead of coming across like a scolding diva, why did you not take the time to direct our Ken with one of your own masterful layouts? Love.....Jill Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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Thank you for your support Jill--I like your layout. I was expecting criticism when I posted. In fact I deleted a post earlier then decided to bite the bullet and take the hits because in the end letterville wouldn't let me down. It'll be a while before I ask again, though. I think I'll just read for a while.
-------------------- Ken Holden 7 Oaks Signs 18457 Hwy 22 Ponchatoula, LA 70454 Posts: 144 | From: Ponchatoula, LA | Registered: Apr 2005
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I followed this post with interest. I wanted to see where it would go. As ususl, several helpful Heads gave some great advice. Any one of the suggestions given could be the ticket depending on the client.
I have been in this business for 25 years, and always learn something here. We should never feel embarrassed to post a question when we are stumped.
We ALL have things from our early days that we have weeded from our portfolio because we are better today than before. Yes, even you WR! Get over yourself. Looks like you have some reading to do.
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""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3485 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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Ouch! I think maybe there's a reluctance to post work here for that very reason. I personally do very few "portfolio type" signs - I stay plenty busy keeping up with my repeat customers, but it pays the bills. I would like to see more "everyday" type signs critiqued - I'll post a couple when time permits - I ain't skeered!
-------------------- Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 1392 | From: Olive Branch,MS USA | Registered: Nov 1999
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If you can't run with the big dogs -stay on the porch . . .
if'n you ain't the lead dawg . . .the scenery never changes . . .
If you hate the food and cain't stand the cook . . . don't eat.
lol . . . I said all that to say . . . if one puts up work to be critiqued, as Ken said . . . he expected the comments. He's sayin' he's a big boy and he can take it.
That said, altho' Billy's delivery is not always warm and fuzzy, his advice is good.
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I thought this thread went pretty well. There's always going to be one bad apple in a thread. I should know...I've been the apple more than once.
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don your more like a dried up plum......hehehehehehehehehehehehehe
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The important thing is that you mustered the courage to seek help. Let those among us that have never produced a sign that needed some help cast the first stone.
Taking images from my very early years, I could easily write another book 'Signs that suck - and here's why!" The difference is that I've taken the time to educate myself and try and grow as an artist over the years.
Choosing a path towards growth and education takes work and focus. That path can only lead to improvement.
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Okay I put 1 up - it's the "Open House Sidewalk Sign", forgot to take pic of the install I did today was just ready to git out of there - it was a pain in the rear - lotsa brush in the way.
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