-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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James - the best & simplest stills I have seen were made from discarded pressure cookers - made for cooking food. Easy to build & maintain for small, useable quantities. I had always been under the impression since prohibition it has been legal to distill spirits in your own home for personal use - something like up to 2 gallons per year - certain number of gallons of wine, certain number of quantities of beer, BUT - I may be wrong! Old Paint - Mother Earth News? I always suspected you were an 'ol crawdad fisherman!
-------------------- Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 1392 | From: Olive Branch,MS USA | Registered: Nov 1999
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Last year I met a woman who cannot tolerate exposure to chemicals. When I first met her, she asked what i did for a living, & did I work with plastics & paint. I told her yes, I use vinyl & I was airbrushing the day before. She said she could smell it on me!
She cannot be in a store for over 10 minutes, or she will become violently ill. She is VERY careful over the things she eats. She is buying a house that a doctor had built for his wife, because she had the same problem.
Some people with this have moved to the desert to get away from the chemicals in the towns. There is a term for it, Extreme Chemical Sensistivity, or something.
She also said that they put formadehyde in so many things, like perfumes & hairsprays, & I think she said even drywall, that she cannot use them, or be around them, they make her deathly sick.
Anybody else hear of this disorder?
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the reason i posted this to begin with was the diesel fuel post. homemade stills can make fuels you can burn in most internal combustion engines. you also can use old macdonalds/burger king cooking oil to run a diesel. iam getting a wood stove for this winter with natural gas going to go up 40-80%, and this is our main souce of heat. a wood stove in north fl is plenty of heat for the winters we have and after ivan making all the fire wood(we have 2-4 acre fields piled 20- foot high of debris(trees)and they are going to burn it to get rid of it)wood here is very cheap and people will GIVE you theirs if you haul it off. theres a business oportunity for someone willing to come get the wood and take it north to sell for heat. i studied solar heating while in college and if you design a house/shop around the suns path for your area you can optimize your winter heating cost and summer cooling just by the buildings position in relation to the suns path in each season. all i was doing is to help people get less DEPENDANT on the system of make money and buy everything....which is what we do most of the time. i grew up in western pa, houses their had SISTERNS, concrete tanks that collected rain water, ROOT CELLARS, place you can store potatoes, apples, etc without refridgeration. and stuff will keep a long time in these places. as i mentioned WOOD STOVE or some alternitive heating source. remember the old HAND PUMP WATER WELLS? and if you got the space how bout an emergency outhouse? iam not suggesting abondoning all the convinences of modern living, but when these things become so expensive you cant afford them....is what iam saying....you still need to live. i know most dont have the 2 acres i have, and iam lucky to have that much, and some here have way more space to do these things on.
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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OP, I am glad you just added all that. I was just having lunch with a friend of mine last week, telling her that I would love to live that way.
I know, there are so many opinions on the subject, but I think we are so spoiled it is sickening.
My x-in-laws have a cistern under their house, it is an old house. Root cellars are a good idea, too. My parents just built one. They live in the mountains. And a hand pump water well? I have been pondering THAT thought for a long time!
If something happened in this country REALLY bad, & we had no power, what would we do? Seriously!
I just visited my 90 year old Grama yesterday, & she was telling me about the Depression. When they got electric in their house for the first time, her brother ran out into the street that night to see the house lit up! They had 5 kids living in a 4 room house & they had to take their baths in the kitchen in a washtub. She told me about heating up the iron to iron clothes. And the local bums that would come & beg for food. Her mother would give him a sandwich.
She keeps saying, "What if we have another depression?" I told her the kids nowadays could USE a depression.
Think about the "Gotta have it now" world we live in, with credit cards & everything.
I left Grama's & drove up the street toward home thinking a lot yesterday.
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The Ballad of Old PAINT (from West Virginny)
Come and listen to a story Bout a man named Joe Lived in the hills And his fam'ly was po One day he grabbed his old .22.... And headed to the woods For to get some squirrel stew
Meat...that is Protein.... Brain food
Well the first thing you know Joe spied a field of toadstools He picked the whole patch And loaded up his mules When he made it to the shack Found a tub that didn't leak.... Built a big fire Drew some water from the creek
Pure mountain water... rubbed some sticks together...
Well, the kinfolks said, "Joe What'cha gonna do?" Joe said, "gonna make some MUSHROOM STEW" His papa done his best Showed Joe the shrooms to find... But goofy ole Joe had PICKED THE WRONG KIND
psilocybin that is... hallucinations... mushroom tea
Well the next thing ya know Joe, drinks the whole pot He's acting kinda loopy And drooling lots of snot Then he shucks his overalls And things are gettin' lively..... Old Joe's break dancing In a patch of poison ivy....
Ouch...
Well, then ole Joe Grows his hair out like a girl Swore never again to hunt Cute little squirrels Says from now on He's a-gonna eat veggies.... Walks around all day in his shorts With a wedgie
No more overalls... Freezin' in the winter....
Well, by this time Ole Joe has had his fill So he bids farewell To his home in the hills Joe says, "maw, I'm a-gonna paint signs" And he heads down South To the land of sunshine
Florida that is.... Heaven help us all
So his business grows And Joe decides to build a shop With a big roll-door And a shiney tin top So he builds it long And he builds it mighty tall.... But everybody knows That it has a crooked wall
"I could'a swore That bubble was in the middle...." "The plumb bob was makin' me dizzy...." "Y'all come to a Letterhead meet Ya hear?"
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-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7404 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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Hahahahaha...Wayne, you have WAY too much time on your hands! LOL
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“Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up.” AA Milne Posts: 3722 | From: Folsom, CA | Registered: Dec 2001
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TOFU? TOFU?...Someone say Joe's gonna be a shootin' wild tofu???
Well I'll tell ya..we have whole fields of wild tofu up here and we don't want no gun totin', long haired, over the hill hippie shootin' at OUR wild tofu!!!!
Here's a picture of a millions of wild tofu..ya can see em forever up here!
This is a close-up of the cute little critters.
Now tell me WHO'D want to kill these harmless little things??
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donahue, you should agree with Si on this one. Bet nobody now about your mountain top. :-) As for the mag, IT"S A FIGGIN MAG! Take what you want from it, or don't. why does everything have to turn into a political debate.
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Hey OP, I agree with you about the times and how do we deal with them. Lot of people take to much for granted. but look at the way things are happening. it will always be something. I remember hearing about how some people traveled cross country, wish I would have known about this in '98 http://www.greasecar.com/profiles_list.cfm
Now here is a way to go cross country on a low budget, actually even run around town around the state.
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Hey Jake, good to see you around here. I've seen your work over at "Karen's place". Good job.
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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well i got a song wrote about me that puts me right up ther with bonnie & clyde and pretty boy floyd(was one of my wifes family). and the man who wrote the song..need to look out his winder.....They gona make a movie bout that place.. CHIPPLY FLORIDA, THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT!!!! HEHEHEHE we got re-letives livin down on the CHIPPOLI RIVER, near scotts ferry. now any of you city folk wana see what country livin is like...come on down here ya all...we stayed at a campground right on the river 4th of july on year, and we was the ONLY 10 PEOPLE IN THE CAMPGROUND!!!!! all weekend long!!!!
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Hey Joe I hear ya - I've been down there where you are - to dive in the springs - Ponce de Leon - Kings Spring - Rainbow River - Crystal River - Blue Grotto - Devils Den - Vortex Spring - Cypress Springs - Wakulla is special -that's where they filmed "Creature From Black Lagoon" & a bunch of Tarzen movies - deepest headspring in the world- you can throw a penny in the pool & watch it sink 193 feet & see it on the bottom . My mom used to tell me tales of growin up living next to Machine Gun Kelly in downtown Memphis - she was a teenager then - her dad was a railroad man & they moved around a bit - her mom mostly lived there her whole life - they didn't know how bad he was at the time - said they just seemed like normal folks. Pretty Boy was probably a frequent visitor as well . . I had asked mom about details in years past & she told me she never even saw him carry a gun - -she did say a lot of people went in & out of their house - wish she was still here to tell more . . .
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-------------------- Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 1392 | From: Olive Branch,MS USA | Registered: Nov 1999
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TAlk about learning to do without.. And living in a self sufficient lifestyle. I think I have every one beat. ME lifestyle has nothing over me.
I've leaned to do without a hot shower. And, coka colas, and fresh vegatables from around the world. And, eating out at a restuarant after 8 PM.
I've learned to do without a cell phone that works regularly, and regular land line phone service. Doing without call forwarding is fun and so is doing without sleep.
CAll waiting is nothing but a frivolous addon desinged to empty your pocket. I already get a free busy signal why pay for a notice to tell me to be rude to a first caller.
Its fun doing without a bank that is open at convenient times and cash in the pocket anytime I wish. This helps me save money now. No more impluse buying.. And a real big one is living without air conditioning and electricity. A real good one is living without clothes dried in a dryer that beats clothes into a softness not found in nature.
And, this one is something we could all learn to do is eating cold food. I bet we could save millions be not eating hot food any more.
I've learned that TV is real pain in the butt and an electric hog not needed. Doing without 10 lighbulbs in the bathroom is somethign I never thought possible but it works good. One lightbulb makes enuf light to brush your teeth, comb hair and shave.
The dishwasher is a waste of resources and so is the garbage disposer. The refrigerator. Now that is a electric hog too. A small one is plenty big enuf to keep a few drinks cold.
This leads up to a lower food bill. Now no left overs are ever eaten again. You simply do not prepare more than you can eat. Hence, no need to store leftovers.
I'm doing without a real job for the first time in years. Don't need money any more because I don't use electric power, phones, cable TV or huge refrigerators.
All I need is land where TOFU grows wild and a .22 at 20 paces to get one each day..
All of this doing without gave me LOTS of time to re-read stevens books, and dan antonelli's books and expand my horizon's so I can become rich when the econimy takes off here again.
HEHEH I could be a writer for ME News. I am an expert..
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This place is much better than it used to be, Joe.
My Mom, Dad, and us four kids lived in a one-room shack beside a swamp with thick woods all around. The closest neighbor was miles away and, of course, there was no phone either. Sometimes, in the rainy season, the headlights of the truck would go under water on the way into the cabin. Cottonmouth moccasins were everywhere. We had a pitcher pump for water, an outhouse with no roof, took our baths in a #3 wash tub, outside, in the winter. Mama heated water in pots on top of a pot-bellied stove for our bath. I can still feel the cold, wet, misery. She cooked everything on the wood stove too, including crawfish, stumpknockers(small sunfish), squirrels(just like old paint) and once, we ate a softshell turtle. Put it this way, you won't see me running down a sofshell turtle unless I get real hungry. Dad grew corn, peas, taters, okra, squash, beans etc. So we didn't go hungry. Oh yeah, we had cows in the woods and sometimes Dad would butcher one, right in front of the cabin. He just shot the steer in the head, pulled him up between two trees and started skinning and cutting. The wood stove sat in the center of the single room for heat but there was no insulation. No air conditioner and NO FANS in the summer. Summer routinely gets in the high nineties here, some days in the hundreds. On top of that, the humidity is extremely high on the coastal plain, next to a swamp. We had no electricity...none. Light came from the mica schist portholes in the front of the stove and a kerosene lamp. For a while, we did have a gas-powered refrigerator. The cabin was built from salvaged lumber from an ancient house which itself was built before the civil war. The lumber and siding was solid yellow-heart litered pine but the siding wasn't very tightly fitted. I would lie in my bed at sunrise, and watch a little bird go in and out throuGh a hole in the corner of the roof, feeding her babies nested above our homemeade dining table. Snakes and rats came and went as they pleased as well. Mosquitos would just about tote you off at night, the redbugs were a constant misery and yellow flies light and take off faster than a house fly, bite instantly, and can leave a welt the size of a silver dollar. Hearing the owls hoot at night was as common as traffic noises in your city. If it sounds nostalgic...like a wonderful camping trip, think again. How would you like to live like that for a year? The old cabin is still back there in the woods about 300 yards behind this shop. But I don't have the least desire to spend one more night there.
Hope you get back to normal soon, Curtis.
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i grew up in most of those conditions curt...hehehehehehe. our house in pa,we moved to it in 1950 and i was 5 at the time. was with single light bulbs hangin from the center of the ceiling with a pull string(no wall switches)and i think the service comin to the house was like 50-60 amp. we had a coal/wood stove in the kitchen and only COLD water to the sink, at least we didnt have to carry it like some of our neighbors did. when the water pump would kick on the lights would dim......and i went to school with people who still didnt have electricity to their farm. we hada 4 ft round tub on the back porch and sat nite was bath nite, drag in the tub to the kitchen, fire up the wood stove and heat water. then we took turns in the same bath water....NO JOKE FOLKS!!! didnt need a septic tank cause we had a 4 holer outhouse!!!! we was better off then most!!!!! the only drain we had from the house was the kitchen sink and it ran into the garden, we got some of the biggest sukiniees which we planted right next to the drain water. closest thing we had to a shower was a rain gutter with a diverter spout. most of the time it ran rain water into our cistern. i would go out when it was rainin in the summer time and flip the lever and take a shower!!!!!!! didnt see indoor plumbing till i was in 5th grade!!!!! heat for the house was a 27" big old coal furnace in the basement with only gravity heat!! only warm place was right on the register!!!!! was my job to take out the ashes from the cellar!!! the cistern we had was hugh. it also had a smaller one inside the cellar the rian water filtered into this one and was as clear as could be. mom used to wash cloths in the cellar using the cistern water and she hada kerosene stove she heated water on for washing cloths. her dryer was 3-4 clothlines. we never cut the grass, or manicured the landscaping, we had a burn pile for garbage and most of the cans we opened got used for something else after they was empty. as for food we was way better then most cause we WAS THE LOCAL CROCERY STORE!!! i can go on about how i grew up in what we consider today "harsh conditions" but you get the idea. we have become so dependant on everything being done for us that we forget ..we can be less dependant if we wish to be. i also remember the old electric commercials on tv(we got the 1st one in the town we lived in 1953)and they would say how electricity and the phone would become so cheap you wouldnt even notice paying for them..YE RIGHT!!!! now they got you wired and dependant they charge more and more....cause you got no choice....
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one of the best parts of the foxfire books are the medical potions and use of plants you in your backyard. as a kid in pa in the fall we(me and couple other boys) would dig roots and dry and sell em. i was 10 years old and new what GINSING was, i could identify the plant, but never knew what it was used for and that it brought good money then. we dug MAYAPPLE ROOTS & BLOODROOT and sold them by the burlap sackfull. ive made DANDELION WINE, and DANDYLION SALAD really good when its young. my dad used to take me out when he dug HORSERADISH ROOT would bring it home, scrub it with a brush, cut it up and with a an old hand grinder, grind it up with beets and vinegar and put it in the fridge....man was that stuff good, makes wasabi look like a fake. waynes song said something about mushrooms well yes my dad taught me which one you can eat and which will kill ya. we picked the ones you buy in the store in the spring, and another type called a "stump mashroom" these where really good. in the fall we picked what books call MARGOYLS, italians called em SPUNGOLLI. they look like a upside down ice cream cone and really are tasty. another fall shroom was SHEEPSHEAD most books call em "hen of the woods" and these are a meaty shroom, and large. dad and i picked one that took up the trunk and back seat of a 56 mercury!!!! we got it home and weighed it all together it was 67 POUND!!!!!!! mom canned for 3 days!!! and we ate that one for a year...... dad also used to pick black raspberrys in the summer, man o man you aint never tasted pie that good !!!!!! sorta miss them old days.......
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I remember walking ten miles each way, uphill, in three feet of snow, to school... Used to chop frozen ice from around ducks in cow pond for fresh meat... Anybody know reason for white corncobs???(pre-Sears) As fast as you'd shovel snow off of walk, it would fill up again behind you, w/fresh snow... Put springs on feet once to jump out of hayloft, had to shoot me to get me stopped... Ever bark a squirrel? My horse saddled himself...
Aw, those were the days............
Wayne, that sounds like place I took military survival training...though as kid, we had plenty of diamondbacks, same temperment as mocs...
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Be extremely careful eating ANY wild mushroom - unless you are an expert they can literally kill ya in a heartbeat ! There are over 2,000 varieties in my neck 'o the woods alone - most are poisenous. . .even if you're sure they have almost zero nutritional value . .even in survival situations - -not worth the risk to even fool with - -
-------------------- Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 1392 | From: Olive Branch,MS USA | Registered: Nov 1999
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i didnt find out untill many years later what they do with mayapple root...untill i had some warts removed!!! they make a liquid from the root called PEDOFFILIN spellin might not be correct but it sounds like i spelled it. after they freeze a wart they apply a dark brown liquid and thats it. as for shrooms your right unless you know what your pickin DONT!!! as for food value your dead wrong, not much protien but enough other nutriens to keep you from starving to death. and a lot of good things in shrooms, being a vegitarian i probably eat way more then most do. PORTABELLO mushrooms ....are nothing more then the white button "field shrooms" left alone till it fully develops. in the wild most dont get that big because of bugs eating then shrooms befor it matures.
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I'm a wacky witch docta Magic potion concocta And I lurk in the deep dark woods Vegetarian Guru Eatin' mountains of Tofu Got herbs that will make you feel good
I got buds and seeds All kinds of wacky weeds Sometimes they get me awful confused And when I get richer Gonna get my pitcher On the cover of Mother Earth News
Mother Earth News.... Gonna see my picha on the cuvah News.... Gonna buy five copies for G. Dubya News.... Gonna see my smilin' face On the cover of the Mother Earth News
-------------------- Wayne Webb Webb Signworks Chipley, FL 850.638.9329 wayne@webbsignworks.com Posts: 7404 | From: Chipley,Florida,United States | Registered: Oct 1999
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wayne you been livin in the woods TOO LONG....
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Wayne you aint right - I been singing that in my head to the music of "On The Cover Of The Rolling Stone" - I got a temp. brain fart who did that song? No, not the Mamas & the Papas - who? Was it The Who? Old Paint - Got my info on almost zero nutritional value of 'shrooms from U.S. Army Survival Manual . . .also check the calorie content of mushrooms - Carl
-------------------- Carl Wood Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 1392 | From: Olive Branch,MS USA | Registered: Nov 1999
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I've read ME a few times over the years. There was always at leat one article that I found interesting or creative. I guess it's all in how you percieve the value of things. Personally, I always thougjht it was neat to see other methods of constructing buildings and the different ways to use organic materials to replace modern fabricated materials.
Maybe someone should do an article in ME about how to make a sign WITHOUT a computer. Rapid
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http://www.mushroomcouncil.org/ this is a good place to gain some info. and i been eating shrooms since i was a kid, and since i became a vegitaian i even eat more now. lot of good things in shrooms....dont discount them.
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i got all his albums......heheheheheh figuered as much huh?
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