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...cause you might kick yourself if you wait until tomorrow to do it.

Words to the wise.

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Don are you saying that the prices arn't going DOWN!
Or just a shortage in Demand!

Hell my bunker Tank is full at the moment...
The one under the Car!

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Due to Katrina, there will be a huge jump in prices, possibly as early as tomorrow. I don't know that it will effect you guys in Canada, but we're going to get hit hard with price hikes here in the US.

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Don's got a point here.

Most of the off shore oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico have been evacuated since Saturday. you might not think so, but it adds up to quite a bit of production lost in just a few days. Worse, if some are damged, "big oil's" gonna have another excuse to raise the prices.

Like they needed another reason....sheesh.
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Ray, they didn't have time to secure most of the rigs, so it will be more than a few days. And some will likely end up on the bottom.

By the way, Ray. Who is "little oil"? I was unaware that there's any mom and pop oil companies.

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Sorry Don and Ray

I have forgotten about Mother Nature and Her Wild Acts!

"I see Your points now!"
Hell maybe if we learnt to harness her fury,... We may be on to Something!
[Confused]

But she always comes back with a new twist....
[For Your Information]

[ August 28, 2005, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]

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What we need is to figure out some realistic way to get away from fossil fuel. Maybe someday, but not in our lifetimes.

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Prices in crude futures already jumped $4 on the singapore market.. Hitting $71.

If any significant damage is sustained to refining capacity in the area of New orleans, watch out ... $80 oil will be with us for a while.

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Interestig article about something that might just help out in the future:

Schweitzer's plan for US energy independence
by kos
Thu Aug 25th, 2005 at 13:01:12 PDT

This was the talk of the state when we visited Montana a few weeks ago. Schweitzer is positively obsessed with the potential:

Montana's governor wants to solve America's rising energy costs using a technology discovered in Germany 80 years ago that converts coal into gasoline, diesel and aviation fuel.

The Fischer-Tropsch technology, discovered by German researchers in 1923 and later used by the Nazis to convert coal into wartime fuels, was not economical as long as oil cost less than $30 a barrel.

But with U.S. crude oil now hitting more than double that price, Gov. Brian Schweitzer's plan is getting more attention across the country and some analysts are taking him very seriously.

Montana is "sitting on more energy than they have in the Middle East," Schweitzer told Reuters in an interview this week.

"I am leading this country in this desire and demand to convert coal into gasoline, diesel and aviation fuel. We can do it in Montana for $1 per gallon," he said.

"We can do it cheaper than importing oil from the sheiks, dictators, rats and crooks that we're bringing it from right now."

The governor estimated the cost of producing a barrel of oil through the Fischer-Tropsch method at $32, and said that with its 120 billion tons of coal -- a little less than a third of the U.S total -- Montana could supply the entire United States with its aviation, gas and diesel fuel for 40 years without creating environmental damage.

An entry level Fischer-Tropsch plant producing 22,000 barrels a day would cost about $1.5 billion, he said.

The fuel that comes out of the Fischer-Tropsch method (also used by South Africa during their embargo years) burns cleaner than current fuels, stripping out sulfur, arsenic, and other nasty byproducts. And if Montana alone can deliver 40 years worth of the nation's energy needs, imagine how much more we'd have when you throw Wyoming, Illinois, Ohio, and West Virginia coal into the mix. More than enough fuel to get us inexpensively into the hydrogen economy.

The geopolitical ramifications are also huge -- no need for wars in the Middle East or saber-rattling in Venezuela. The impetus for foolish wars would wane. And cheaper gas would provide huge benefits to the economy.

Not a modest vision for a small state governor.

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Mike, you know how it works. [Thanks]

Check out the REAL numbers HERE

If you think you're not gonna be affected by this storm because you're not in it's path, guess again. A storm like this one isn't gonna fizzle out a few hundred miles after making landfall. It's still gonna have a hell of a kick for quite a ways inland.

Katerina could effect the lumber markets as much as all four of last year's Florida hurricanes combined. There's not only going to be an increase in demand for lumber to make repairs, but the lumber mills and trees in the path of this storm could add to a noticeable price hike due to lack of production capabilities should they get damaged.

Anyone here printing cotton tshirts? Guess what kind of crops are in the path of this storm?

There are a ton of stock brokers drooling over this one. With all the "futures" markets this will affect, and by the time the rest of the world's trading markets drive up the prices overnight, expect some heavy trading when the opening bell sounds in New York Monday morning.

Not what we need right now...
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We have a "rock" customer from Pittsburgh who works for companies that are trying to find other fuels other than fossil fuels. He said that the technology to make them makes them just as expensive!

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Isn't coal a fossil fuel, too?

I was thinking more along the lines of wind or the sun.

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Yes, it's also a fossil fuel, but read this part over ..."More than enough fuel to get us inexpensively into the hydrogen economy."
At least it's an alternative that WE have now, and won't run out of for several generations, that we can use whilst we develope more stuff in the wind/sun/hydrogen technology range.
Cost Bobbie? It wasn't viable to make these products from coal when oil prices were BELOW $30 per barrel...NOW, it IS a do-able thing.
Besides what anyone says, I think it's just damn refreshing that someone...ANYONE...is out there trying to come up with reasonable alternatives for our fuel needs in the NEAR future without having to keep us all sucking at the oil companies...uhh...breast (yeah, that's it [Wink] .

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Here's an option to rising gas costs.. you can buy a lot of fuel now and in 6 months when everyone else is paying 50 cents more per gallon, you can still get it at today's price. There are people who bought in when gas was 89 cents a gallon, and that's the price they get today!

http://www.firstfuelbank.com

Basically they do the same thing that airlines, truck companies and gas companies do - they buy deep, millions of gallons at a time to lock their price in for a while.

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Screw it....I'm getting a horse....it's cheaper.

Gonna have a hard time putting realistic flames on it, tho....hmmmm. [Wink]
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Thanks Karen, that is very interesting!

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Ray, didn't Kimberly's pop letter an elephant once?

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I'm confused . . . .
was this 'sposed to be a topic about gas/oil politicks or was this a topic about preppin' for a monster hurricaine???? (as if we are'nt all well-rehearesed by now in those procedures anyway, but it never hurts to think of others)

In all actuality, I'm a tad more concerned about the weather and it's affect on the living right now than fossils . . . . [Wink]

Such as a bunch a people in Looz'iana and Miss'sippi, as well as west central Alabam'.

Y'all keep us informed about your safety if possible.

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Sheila, gas prices are going up because of the oil rigs being shut down and/or damages, and the shipping lanes being shut down.

The post was not about the hurricane itself, as there is another thread about that. It was a reminder to top off the gas tank because gas will be going up, probably quite substantially, in the next 24 to 48 hours.

This was not about politics.
This was not about hurricanes.
It was about what the topic says it was about.

OK?

We're bein concerned about the people on another thread. That's why I started a new one with this topic, to keep them separate.

geesus. ya just can't win around here anymore

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Simple, Ray, but with the realistic flames, you have to cool them down periodically:
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but with the standard older flames, you can really have fun on limo's:

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To confirm what Don was referring to,..just got off the phone with my mom and the satellite reciever said gas cost to jobbers went up between 5 and 10 cents this morning,..that is at all major east coast pipeline dispensing stations for fuel tankers,before it is delivered to the stations. It will take between a day and a week for this to filter down to the pumps the general public uses and may not include any hikes made by the local jobbers.

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Ian that is Great

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Following on from the flamed horses above,is a poem by MS Patch I found a year ago:

Today I got to thinking, it’ll bring to you to your knees
How we’re going to beat it, this cursed cost price squeeze,
There’s one thing I have thought, if the price of petrol stays:
We night have to return to those horse and buggy days.
Now buggies would be hard to get, but just as hard as horses,
There’s none to really fit a cart but plenty for the courses.
But I suppose you’d find one, you never know your luck,
And I’d like to see these young lads yoke the outfit up.
He’d have no V8 engine, just a head and tail and ears
He’d have no four upon the floor, probably just a top gear.
As you’re jogging your girl home one night in the freezing cold
Think how she snuggled to you, in the car in the days of old,
You wouldn’t need a bull bar, or protection for your screen
Just think of the old sulky, boys, and keep the paint work clean.
You’d find no use for mag wheels,or anything like that,
Just keep those wheels turning free, and greased with mutton fat.
One thing I might mention when you’re fresh in from the scrub
And you’re headed for a night out at your favourite local pub
You have more than your quota, and heading home a car might roam
But one thing is sure and certain, the old horse, he’ll get you home,
Yes, that’s what I’ve been thinking, it’ll bring you to your knees,
How we’re going to beat it, this cursed cost price squeeze.
And that’s what I’ve come up with, if the price of petrol stays:
We might have to return to those horse and buggy days.


edit to add we're paying $1.15 per litre for fuel, which is $5.23 a gallon (our gallons are 4.55 litres), which is about $3.95 in US dollars)- you fellows are really lucky!

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Argggghhhh! Unleaded regular at $2.79/gallon already!

[Bash] [Bash] [Bash] [Bash]

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try buying your fuel in old blighty,,we pay £1.02 per litre for diesel, our gallons are 4.55 ltrs = £4.64 per gallon @ $1.78 to the pound that works out at $8.26 per gallon ,you dont really have it that bad after all, you cant complain. It costs me £62.00 to fill my van with fuel and I get around 550 miles

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That's, what, 10/12 gallon tank? Fair mileage; also, yer' lund mass isn't near what we are having ta travl'...me wee laddie of a dog, Scotty; complains all the tyme aboot it...his wee legs are too short for long runs... [Big Grin]

Well Stewart, let's hope not, but, if you're right, some one is going to get very, very, rich...Lucy!!! You got sum 'plaining to do!!!

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My post topic really wasn't about the cost of gas at all. It was about the impending spike in prices, due to this massive storm in the Gulf, and a reminder to get all you can before the prices change.

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I've been considering making my own Biodiesel since my fuel bill for my truck is $600/mo.

For 3 grand you can make it yourself for 70 cents a gallon. It burns clean, (smells like french fries at the tailpipe) and lubricates better.

http://www.diybiodiesel.com/site/1330247/product/FBP-40GD

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Like Bob Hope once said during an oil crunch.

"I guess there is just a shortage of cheap gas.....there seems to be plenty of the expensive stuff."

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Ernie called home at 10 am and told me to go fill tje gas tanks on the cars (all 4-of them).
At 11 am at $2.65 gallon I went out and filled all 3 vans and pickup. ($188.00).(This was the cheapest place around). At 6pm,
the same station had raised its price 2 times today, to $2.81 gallon. Home heating oil this morning was $2.30 gallon.

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Thanks for the heads up Don, I filled the tank on Monday.
This morining, I stopped by my local gas station/convenience and the price is going up another 16¢ a gallon today alone. That's about 20¢ in the last week [Frown]
I think it's time for me to sell my car and take the bus! Knowing how fast the government works I figure the cost of a bus pass won't go up for another year or so [Smile]

Havin' fun,

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2.99 last night in Michigan....what a joke. How they can immediately raise gas prices on gas that's already sitting in the tanks is beyond me.

Checkers - I wouldn't count on the government not raising bus passes for another year....when it comes to taxes, their quick as lightening - they'll figure a way to tax you to the bone....when it comes to reducing the burden on Americans....they're slow as molasses going uphill in the wintertime. [Wink]

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$3.49 in Michigan this morning (for the cheap stuff) [Frown]

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Put $75 in the pickup this morning at $2.99, took it home and jumped on the Kawasaki.
It's now $3.39. For once I beat the jump.

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Kimberly Zanetti
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Costco in Southern California is $2.85 for regular, $3.05 for premium...cost me $47 to fill up my car with premium this morning. [Frown] Good thing I don't drive too much. That tank will last me for a while.

The other local gas stations are a bit more.

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I just started limiting myself to using only 1/2 tank of gas each week. Well, OK I just decided to start that last Monday, we'll see how that pans out. [Smile]

I guess if I run out it will be time to hop on the bicycle, or maybe skate around town.

Luckily I don't absolutely have to drive every day.

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It's over $3 here and it's supposed to go to $4 tonight. There are waiting lines at every station and "Out of Gas" signs at some. Georgia has a 10 day reserve and they're talking about rationing after that. This sucks.

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Same here, Ricky. The barges aren't moving, and once we're out of gas, there is no more on its way. I wish I had a bicycle. We're not likely to have gas TO ration for awhile.

Restating my original post to start this mess, if you have any room in your gastank, top it off. It's not a matter of how much it costs now, it's a matter of it not being available at all very soon.

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Don - Bush just gave the order to open the nation's oil reserves to offset the temporary shutdown of the gulf coast refineries....

This brought the futures trading down under $70 a barrel and will hopefully make gas more plentiful and affordable in the short term.

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