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I know this is gonna start some ****... But hey I hate Vinyl.... I am a Slave to it myself lately(90% of business now).. I am a vinyl geek... I can admit it..
What I want to do is to Maybee Get something going here.. I can Honestly say that I am Dying to Swap some Panels with a Few of my Stripin' & "Original LETTERHEADS" P.V.E.(pre-Vinyl-erectus)heros I have seen here... If they are still alive...LOL Oh yes,, You know if you're good... Lets chat about this... any Ideas...
No Vinyl.. Hand Lettered MANDATORY!!!!!!! Stripin' A BIG plus, but only as a bonus... I can cut vinyl all day.. 75% ends up in the trash ( should be 100%. but thats another post)... I NO LIKEY!!!
This may help some of those people that oh... say maybee due to a divorce or friend of the court, may not be able to attend as many meets as they would like,, But can hang...( late and lay lines).. That is my boat...
I am ready people... Have brush will Swap....
Mad Max ....out!
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How about an old guy that has devoted his life to perfecting the craft only to see everything turning into vinyl. Having been brought up in the Depression, waste is very revolting to me. We fill at least two large garbage bags with vinyl scraps daily. Just to keep my ability alive, I did a glass door with a very ornate gold leaf monogram, using 23kt, 18 kt and copper leaf. All the outlines were done by brush, no silk screen. A good feeling to still be able to do it at 77. When seeing what looks like it might be a hand lettered truck, and at close inspection find it is vinyl, a feeling of dissapointment comes over me.
-------------------- Bill Riedel Riedel Sign Co., Inc. 15 Warren Street Little Ferry, N.J. 07643 billsr@riedelsignco.com Posts: 2953 | From: Little Ferry, New Jersey, USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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I feel the same way Bill, though I am only 31! I like creating and seeing my finished product as I am doing it. With vinyl, most of the work is done with a computer/plotter... Anybody can do that. I work as a designer for a large highway signshop during the day and they pull 4-6 cans of trash/scraps out of the shop a day! Insane! In the PM I do all my stuff the old fashioned way, thanks to you showing me how a few years ago at AJ's Nothin's Happenin' and being inspired by guys such as Glen Weisgerber, you, and AJ... I can work on a hand-done project for a week and have enough trash to fill maybe a sandwich bag. There is nothing like the amazement of people who say, "You did that by hand?!" I get a thrill out of that. Mike, I think I will whip something up and send it your way. If you send one back, can I request some Goldleaf on there?
Keep it wet!
-------------------- Doug Fielder Fallout Grafix Port St. Lucie, FL
16 years with a brush in my hand... Posts: 273 | From: Port St. Lucie, FL | Registered: May 1999
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"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." Sir Issac Newton Posts: 3528 | From: Warner Robins, GA | Registered: Oct 2004
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I love swapping panels. I'm not good at handlettering or striping, but I would never do one with vinyl on it. I might use it for a paint mask to help out, but never apply it to a panel for good. I would at least try to paint it if someone is gracious enough to want to swap.
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I agree, Don, same with me (by the way, it was really great to meet you at Jill's!).
Did you try your hand at it at the meet? I am not real good, but I can see that I CAN do it, I just need to keep at it!
Will any of you who are more experienced at it, mind swapping with newbie-striper-letterers like us?
I practiced with Bill Diaz Saturday night, then simply copied a simple design from mark Sunday morning & passed it around, & lo & behold, I have MY work on a panel with Sal's, Bill's, Danz's, Mark's & Rapid's!!!!!!! And you know what? Mine wasn't too bad!!!
The encouragement we give each other is PRICELESSS!!!!!! Let's do it!
-------------------- The Word in Signs Bobbie Rochow Jamestown, PA 16134
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Panel Swap 5 IS going on at the moment, guys! Pitch in!
-------------------- Catharine C. Kennedy CCK Graphics 1511 Route 28 Chatham Center, NY 12184 cck1620@taconic.net "Look at me, Look at me, Look at me now! I't's fun to have fun, But you have to know how!" Posts: 2173 | From: downtown Chatham Center, NY | Registered: Feb 2004
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You would have to totally count me out, as I don't have the brush skills with lettering, godforbid striping, to take part in anything like this.
I would feel horrible, thinking the recipient of my panel would look at the not up to par lettering skills, then have to toss it out for firewood... then feel cheated they didn't get anything back as good as they sent off.
Kinda a quandry for me... if I painted it, it would look bad, but if I did vinyl it would look good, but it would be vinyl so it would be bad, though painted lettering would be good even though mine is bad, but... oh my brain hurts...
Kinda like the first panel swap when I got Terry Colley's name. I was INCREDIBLY intimidated by that!! I mean, there was NO way in h-e-double-hockey-sticks that I was going to paint something for him... he is WAY outta my league.
I finally sent him a panel... all vinyl (including shade-shifter and SignGold) with a hammered metal spray painted background, and a cut-out Border Collie dog. I really liked the way it turned out, but was still worried about sending it. He said it was ok, sure hope he wasn't just being nice...
Seriously though, you are obviously wanting to trade with people with great lettering skills, which would truthfully leave me out anyways. That's what I have Bruce around for...
-------------------- Dana Ferry St Cloud, MN Posts: 1556 | From: St Cloud, MN | Registered: May 1999
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Like I posted on the "other" thread, maybe you guys that HATE vinyl and think it's ALL bad, should put your name on a anti-vinyl list for upcoming panel swaps.
No, seriously. I'm just thinking if some people are really that anti-vinyl, this might be a legitimate thing to do.
That way, if people like me get your name, I can respectfully ask for someone else's, since you won't like or want my panel anyways.
Then you won't get something you don't want, and I won't be any more paranoid than I already am about the recipient being disappointed.
This way it doesn't keep anyone doing whatever techiques they are comfortable with, from participating in panel swaps.
It just sometimes doesn't occur to me, about some people thinking totally different than I do. I just never realized that some people are so against vinyl, even if on a gift.
-------------------- Dana Ferry St Cloud, MN Posts: 1556 | From: St Cloud, MN | Registered: May 1999
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