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Ok, so I'm odd, but check this out: I needed to know what broken glass looks like, so I was about to use a piece of throw away paper, and there on top of the pile was some scrap vinyl. Ahhh mucho better. I used a vinyl scrap a lot larger than the piece of glass, then with the adhesive facing up, I laid the glass on it, and smasho! All the pieces and shards stay there, wrap the edges over, easy disposal.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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I THINK I know why you wanted to know what broken glass looked like James.
I'll be looking for a step by step on how to create that effect soon!!!
Thanks for the current step by step on how to break glass in a safe and secure manner!!!
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As we all seem to ask around here...What type of glass were you using? Was it tinted? What manufacturer's vinyl did you use? Was it cast or calendered? What scanner will you use to scan the shattered glass? Will you scan in greyscale or full colour? What software do you intend to use to convert the shattered glass image into a usable vector format? Will you be printing the image or cutting it in vinyl with numerous layers of vinyl to convey the nuances of the shades of the shards? What printer or cutter will you be using to output the final image? OR will you use a brush and paint to render the image? If you use a brush, what make? What brand of paint? Do you plan on using an airbrush to do highlites? If you do, what brand of airbrush and what model? Would you clearcoat the final product? Would you laminate it instead? Is this image going to be mainly for interior or exterior exposure? If it is exterior, what direction does it face? If it is interior, is the lighting flourescent or incandescent? How large is the image going to be? What is the substrate that you plan to use? If it is being done directly on a wall, what is the existing wall surface? Is it latex or oil based?
There are so many questions that you have left unanswered James..We can't help you unless you give us ALL the information!
(apologies to Gavin for not breaking down the above questions into seperate entities!! )
[ July 20, 2005, 11:28 PM: Message edited by: Dave Grundy ]
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I just got done painting the effect, and I'm really pleased, but yeah, as I was starting this thread, I was thinking how easy it would be to vector draw it.
Now explaining WHY I needed the effect won't be so easy. There is a well known theme park nearby, I'm under legal agreement not to use their name to advertise myself, so I won't mention it. They have an eagle sanctuary, which houses a large number of bald eagles, open to public viewing. These are birds which were injured, and cannot ever return to the wild.
The park's sign shop asked me to paint a sign for the eagle sanctuary with a well known bible verse on it:
They that wait on the Lord shall renew their strength, they shall mount up with wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary and walk and not faint. Isaiah 40:31.
The budget allowed for an 'ordinary' lettered sign, nothing too elaborate (the park's theme is 1895, most all signs are hand lettered). But being a bible verse, and knowing how much this can help people, I decide to put some extra time into it. I told them to pay me what the plain sign would pay.
So it's an opportunity to work with a style of painting I want to do, whereby you can see one image through another. The first layer is rendered in black and white, no color. At the bottom of the sign is a picture of a woman almost laying down, with her face in her hands, she is weeping. That part of the picture is all low lighting, and the background behind her is dark. There is a grayish blank distance going to the top of the sign, where there is another image of the same woman, excuse me, lady, only this time she is looking up, with hands raised, a very joyous look, the light is bright, she is praising God. My wife was my model, and I could have searched a long way and not found a better one.
Painted over the top image is a see through sky blue, with clouds. You look through the sky and clouds to see her rejoicing. In the middle section will be a picture of an eagle taking flight, painted with regular opaque paints. There is also a range of mountains behind the eagle. The green of the mountains goes down 'till it abruptly meets the edge of the broken glass, which is painted with see through blue green paint, much the color of real glass. You're looking through the glass at the weeping part of the picture.
The topmost layer will be the lettering, which will be the most visible. It will be painted opaque off white sort of colors.
These effects are VERY visible, but I have to formulate the colors carefully. I bought special made alkyd paint. I had them use a clear base. I bought yellow and red, I figured OS reflex blue would work (intense color but low coverage). When mixing them in a Dixie cup, I add varnish, penetrol, turpentine, and OS hardener as needed. The hardener was a big bonus. I had to wipe off some of the top see through color, more than once, and having the layer below harder was a plus.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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Golly Dave, you sound like a beginner on his first post!
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"...there are no limits when you aim for perfection..." Jonathan Livingston Seagull Posts: 7021 | From: Highgrove via Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia | Registered: Dec 2002
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I look forward to seeing the pics too mate, thanks for the tip also...
With regards to vinyl scraps.
Many give them away free or whatever, we see them as another source of income. Scrap vinyl, scrap Foamex and the like are all paid for from past jobs as you will know. We have bags of the stuff and keep it! Do you ever have a slow day/s? Sitting around twiddling thumbs waiting on the phone to ring? What we do is... if we see any of our staff with nothing to do. Tell them to take our health and safety cd out. Dig out clipart for “no smoking” “mind the step” beware of dog” “male female toilet” etc... Now get all your small off cuts of Foamex and the like. Trim them up into a square, rectangle whatever and take the size. Now using that size as your blank. Create a safety sign or something humorous... anything really. But again, using scrap vinyl. Make 6 or 7 of each, just small signs. When you’re done. Stack them up and sit them in your reception area at your workshop. folk come in to get their vehicle sign written or collect a sign sit there waiting, looking at your safety signs etc you come through to say your van/sign is ready and give them their bill/invoice... you will find these same customers will say “hey, stick two of that and 1 of that on my bill too”
your slow day & scraps have now earned you money!
-------------------- Robert Lambie Glasgow Scotland UK
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Robert, that's smart. Lord willing, pics tonight, if Stephanie borrows the in laws digital camera.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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We'll see how this goes, it might be so low res that you won't see the glass effect. Yeah, that's what I suspected. Can anyone explain why this pic is so small at 60KB, when it started as a 73 dpi image? (cell phone camera)
[ August 03, 2005, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: James Donahue ]
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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