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This is so stupid.
Do you guys realize what you are all argueing er uh "discussing" about? Did you even catch what the "all important" initial post was about?

Don posted something and then changed his mind and HE edited out HIS OWN POST. Then others came in and AS A JOKE posted blank replies showing THEIR OWN edit message just for fun to keep a train of it going.
Again ... AS A JOKE!

Enter those who gotta have their valuable "insights" heard. The thread gets closed because it's a waste of time that could be misconstued by those coming in mid-stream and wondering about all the edit messages. And guess what ... it WAS!!!!!

Here someone makes an assumption and starts another post (this one) spewing a public scolding and rant. I'm still having troubles "recognizing" the respect towards Steve in that. I did recognize however that, as usual, Steve stepped up to the plate. That only re-enforces my ever growing respect for him as he exhibits far more patience than I could.

Sheesh ... you guys really need to a get a REAL problem!
And now we got folks preaching about how we should "discuss" to death a bunch of overblown, mis-construed crap.


Knock yourselves out! [I Don t Know]

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Time to feel good....how about this?

I am Thankful :

FOR THE WIFE
WHO SAYS IT'S HOT DOGS TONIGHT,
BECAUSE SHE IS HOME WITH ME,
AND NOT OUT WITH SOMEONE ELSE.

FOR THE HUSBAND
WHO IS ON THE SOFA
BEING A COUCH POTATO,
BECAUSE HE IS HOME WITH ME
AND NOT OUT Screwing around.

FOR THE TEENAGER
WHO IS COMPLAINING ABOUT DOING DISHES
BECAUSE IT MEANS SHE IS AT HOME,
NOT ON THE STREETS.

FOR THE TAXES I PAY
BECAUSE IT MEANS
I AM EMPLOYED.

FOR THE MESS TO CLEAN AFTER A PARTY
BECAUSE IT MEANS I HAVE
BEEN SURROUNDED BY FRIENDS.

FOR THE CLOTHES THAT FIT A LITTLE TOO SNUG
B ECAUSE IT MEANS
I HAVE ENOUGH TO EAT.

FOR MY SHADOW THAT WATCHES ME WORK
BECAUSE IT MEANS
I AM OUT IN THE SUNSHINE.

FOR A LAWN THAT NEEDS MOWING,
WINDOWS THAT NEED CLEANING,
AND GUTTERS THAT NEED FIXING
BECAUSE IT MEANS I HAVE A HOME.

FOR ALL THE COMPLAINING
I HEAR ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT
BECAUSE IT MEANS
WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

FOR THE PARKING SPOT
I FIND AT THE FAR END OF THE PARKING LOT
BECAUSE IT MEANS I AM CAPABLE OF WALKING
AND I HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH TRANSPORTATION.

FOR MY HUGE HEATING BILL
BECAUSE IT MEANS
I AM WARM.

FOR THE LADY BEHIND ME IN CHURCH
WHO SINGS OFF KEY BECAUSE IT MEANS
I CAN HEAR.

FOR THE PILE OF LAUNDRY AND IRONING
BECAUSE IT MEANS
I HAVE CLOTHES TO WEAR.

FOR WEARINESS AND ACHING MUSCLES
AT THE END OF THE DAY
BECAUSE IT MEANS I HAVE BEEN
CAPABLE OF WORKING HARD.

FOR THE ALARM THAT GOES OFF
IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS
BECAUSE IT MEANS I AM ALIVE.

AND FINALLY, FOR TOO MUCH E-MAIL
BECAUSE IT MEANS I HAVE
FRIENDS WHO ARE THINKING OF ME.

And finally...the post I started the other day...was meant as an interesting excercise in people's impressions on human nature...that make us all unique. How it went haywire? I'm still scratching my head...although, admittedly at one point I lost control and entered the fray after being badgered and publicly humiliated...to which I regret now.

The only suggestion I'd offer is maybe another category for "Off Topic" posts...as I still feel that relationships, even in a sign forum is getting to know, admire, and trust people beyond a single targeted aspect.

Seems like a lot of people have met "cyber friends" here, and I don't think that is all so bad.

How to keep every OT topic from going to the dogs? I don't know...haven't figured it out....I guess it has to do with respect, patience, kindness, and tolerance....which are all areas that could be improved with many...including myself.

I don't fault Steve for deleting the thread I started....in fact, I asked him to after I saw the post going sour within the first 5 responses....I wish it could have been deleted sooner than it was personally...as it went from bad to worse, then back to "ok" and then back to bad again.

As to Don Coplen's post? I'm not sure, as I never saw what he had to say before he apparantly deleted it....and then in fun, we all added similar posts.

Ok...like Kelly suggests...back to work. [Smile]

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Sheila, I am aware of the deleted tread. Although I will admit I didn’t read all of it because it fell under the “I’m not interested” category to me.

I will also say When I got to Don’s post it had already been deleted...assuming that he had a problem that he figured out on his own...I jokingly posted “ you need to push those buttons with the letters on them”. Very shortly after I posted that I received an e-mail telling me that that post was about Don’s desire to leave Letterville.

I didn’t want that thread to go any farther in terms of joking or ribbing Don, so I choose to delete my post. Little did I know that that possibly helped provoked this most resent mess? At that time the deleted thread was still up.

When I came on this morning I see all this misdirected bashing of Steve. I don’t know for a fact but I would guess Don’s decision to leave Letterville was because of some of the ongoing misdirected bashing and misinformed...rude...judgmental...ignorant comments passed out here from time to time. It does get old.

My comments about the rights of members here wasn’t about residents vs. visitors but a response to the comments farther up this thread about what rights you should or shouldn’t have here in general...this is not a “real town” or the “real world” it is a privately owned web site with its own set of rules.

Hope this clarifies my comments better if not please let me know. I’m really not trying to stir the pot more.

Jeff

p.s. I e-mailed Don to tell him I personally think he is an asset to this bb. I think it's sad when people leave here because of the bs.

[ March 07, 2005, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Jeff Spradling ]

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A few observations:

This is indeed's Steve's domain. You call the shots. But you recently stated that back in June of 2004, when our head-butting reached it's breaking point, that some things occured that were not made public. You accused me, in not so many words, of "operating under the radar" as the phrase has been used here of late. I replied, in what could have been a good, clean, discussion, but the conversaation was cut short when some people made comments about "some people not knowing when to quit", or "not having an off switch". At that point, I walked away from the thread.

There's no sense in stirring up the mud any further.

But on that subject, if someone, from what I would refer to as the "inner circle", (and let's face it, like all aspects of life, this place is pretty cliquey at times)doesn't like seeing Steve's authority, integrity or sanity questioned...finds it neccesary to chirp in with their own derogitory comments; you're not helping to acheive any unity.

When I posted defending myself last month, I called a friend who also frequents this board, and told him "I give it an hour before Nettie comes in and whacks on me". It didn't take an hour.

The point I'm making, is this: there's always going to be disagreements and dissention.

It's just a shame though, when Joey can call people asshole, Cam can tell people to go play with themselves in a corner, and Nettie can call people whiners and suggest that they get a life; and nobody thinks it's wrong. But if someone calls Steve out to the mat, you're a Judas.

Ya know what, I've enjoyed long conversations with Steve and Barb. I've broken bread with them at meets. I give them a lot of credit for running this place. But it doesn't mean I can't disagree with them, or question their intent or a decision. And if this place is indeed supposed to replicate a live meet in some fashion, consider this: If I were embroiled in a discussion with Steve, even if it were a disagreement, and someone stepped into our converstaion and called me a cry baby or told me to get a life, they certainly would run the risk of earning a punch in the head. How's THAT for direct?!

So how's this sound? If you're first response to a post is going to be nothing more than a "hey, you're an asshole", or "don't pick on Steve", just keep it to yourself. Some of you, we'd be able to tell what color lipstick you're wearing by scoping out Steve's ass. Steve's a big boy now (although he's shrinking!), and can defend himself. And defending one's self is an unfortunate part of being in business at times.

And Steve, like I've said to you one-on-one. I don't dislike you. Not at all. But when I have to settle something between myself and one of my accounts, it happens not in my living room, but in my place of business. Don't expect people to call you. Letterville is your place of business. It's an in-your-face, almost live, open to the public, right, wrong or indifferent business. THAT is where the dirty laundry will end up being aired, and hopefully cleaned and folded and put away.

For those of you who emailed Irish, warning him to tread lightly, and I recieved countless similar emails and calls, don't put US in the position of having to disclose your names like Steve has, quite rightfully, asked for. Make YOUR comments in public as well. Grow a set of balls and if you have something to say, say it.

I don't think the answer is to have everyone agree and play nice, I think it's to have everyone with something to say, to say it out in the open.

OK, I'm done. I would love to see this place reach new highs. Jill, I only WISH this place were more about Atkinson, and less about **** fights at the monkey house (Thanks gavin...sorry homey, I used all those cursed paragraphs and sentance structure!) [Smile]

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Does this mean we don't get lunch?

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Soggy Bottom Boys
I Am A Man Of Constant Sorrow

(chorus) In constant sorrow through his days

I am a man of constant sorrow
I've seen trouble all my day.
I bid farewell to old Kentucky
The place where I was born and raised.

(chorus) The place where he was born and raised

For six long years I've been in trouble
No pleasures here on earth I found
For in this world I'm bound to ramble
I have no friends to help me now.

(chorus) He has no friends to help him now

It's fare thee well my old lover
I never expect to see you again
For I'm bound to ride that northern railroad
Perhaps I'll die upon this train.

(chorus) Perhaps he'll die upon this train.

You can bury me in some deep valley
For many years where I may lay
Then you may learn to love another
While I am sleeping in my grave.

(chorus) While he is sleeping in his grave.

Maybe your friends think I'm just a stranger
My face you'll never see no more.
But there is one promise that is given
I'll meet you on God's golden shore.

(chorus) He'll meet you on God's golden shore

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steves skin may
be thin
but his waist ain't. hehe

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And once again,we're back to the same old BS that declares if someone doesn't share 100% the opinion of either the 'masses' or a select few who believe they speak for the masses,they should find something better to do with their time than show up around here......as far as saying publicly what they say in private,that will never happen,as it would let the world see that some around here wear more than one face and speak with forked tongue.


William........whether anyone is gonna admit it or not,best post around here in a week or so buddy...too bad so many here refuse to read it and feel compelled to read into it then add their own personal tidbits into the facts....just because a bunch of people come here everyday doesnt mean eveyone has to hold hands and sit around pretending pandas have tinkled rainbows across our collective brains to make this place productive.....not getting along doesn't necessarily mean you hate those you dont get along with,too bad that segment of life gets passed over selectively.

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monkeysh*t fight at the zoo,monkeysh*t fight at the zoo,cmon guys stop spending so much time on the dinnerware thread and concentrate...monkeysh*t fight at the zoo

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Gavin Chachere
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"Sgts Shugart and Gordon again request permission to rope down to crash site two"

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Jeff and Nettie . . .
I STILL hope that the resulting dialogue of the original matter won't get stuck in the mire of getting off the point as tends to happen.. . .still, I would like to respond to the 'edited' post thing that Don created (and many followed on in the same manner) to say, that I thought it was simply a humorous and creative way of responding to the post that got deleted.

It was obvious that Irish was asking about it to learn the reason for it...and that is the reason for THIS thread.

Nettie, some of us know exactly what the ...yes, 'discussion' is about.
Just to reiterate again, it's NOT about Don's thread directly, and now it's not even so much about the deleted thread that inspired Don's thread, and Irish's thread, but it is had become, and can be even more of, a real and sincere exploration of of ways that certain things are dealt with.

I understand that 'rules are rules', but as reasonable, thinking adults, we have every right to understand the dynamics that form those rules.

That's what Irish, Steve, Doug, Mrya and I are trying to discuss, It's not helpful to have people reply by popping-off about how uncomfortable they are with it.

Let's see if discussing some of the policies can shed more light on why they exist, or if the ever growing community of Letterville warrants that they should be changed . . .hey, it might be discovered that some of the policies may need to be MORE stringent . . .

Let's not just say "Stop talking about it' and throw accustaions that imply 'its' not productive'.

It's imperative that one actually read the sometimes lengthy comments, if they are to reply with real constructive criticism and add something meaningful to the topic.

As I said before, if one does'nt wish to read this stuff . . .find something else of interest on the BB.

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wow ... a punch in the head eh?
Big man!

Your idea of me "wacking" on you (back when it was your pity platform) was just my views sans sugar coating, and with a touch of humour. Nothing remotely close to what you were dishing out at that time. If you're gonna throw muck, some is bound to come back at you. I barely kicked up any sand.

Brian ... I don't defend Steve, I support him on things that I agree with.
That's not because we are friends, but because I I know where he's coming from.

Just like it's okay for you to call me a butt-kisser, it's okay for me to have views on behaviors the way I'm seeing them. Not only can I do this without expressing violence or writing a novel, but I don't need to keep droning on a point when others disagree with me.

Suffice it to say we still disagree.
To me you are still a whiner, and for you I'm a butt-kissing bully.
Big deal.

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Sheila, you have at it girl!
Best of luck in your discussions.

[Smile]

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The real funny thing here is........ All this is over a misunderstanding over a JOKE!!! [Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor]

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That's just because you are so much better of a human being than I am Nettie.

edited to add:
Considering you refered to all this "it's all about ME crap" earlier in the post...did ya notice how you took about 5% of what I said in my post, and waved a flag about it? That whole post wasn't about you Nettie...but in a streak of what you're so quick to criticize, you viewed it as "it's about me crap"

Not that I'm whining or anything.

[ March 07, 2005, 12:11 PM: Message edited by: BrianTheBrush ]

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I agree, Sheila. I liked the idea of just starting an "off topic" part of the BB.

I don't visit any other board on the internet, except sometimes once every few months, I read Zola Levitt's board.

But I like coming here, & checking out tips I read, writing some down for future reference, & now & then, I read topics that I have an opinion on, so I add my own. It is really neat that we can get to know each other, & our different views on things. Yes, & just like in real life, we agree & disagree.

But I feel bad that Steve is suggesting selling the site. After all, it was his "baby", wasn't it? Steve, would it be such a bad idea to add a place for Off Topics? And then, if a topic gets off the main subject, it could be moved? I mean, this sounds fair to everyone, doesn't it? Then no one has a right to complain anymore!!!!

Don't give up, Steve, you have a very good thing going here, & we DO appreciate it.

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Brian, with all due respect, I did read the rest of what you had to say ... and not only have I heard it from you before, but you've already heard my say on those issues. (refer to "wacking on you") I really don't need to drone in points I've already made. If I really thought it was "all about me" I may keep pushing it.

I responded to you on the parts about me, because they were about me. It was my head in the target range of your fist. hahahahaa
Just bustin' your chops here Brian. [Smile]

But let's face it, you brought me up because I've disagreed with you on a dispute you've had with Steve in the past, and now I'm a likely target for you when I support Steve on other stuff that may or may not even have similarities to your circumstances with him.

So how 'bout we just agree to disagree, or something like that. I'm okay, you're okay.
Okay?

Nettie

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Duuuuh! If you are here only for the tech side ...and are NOT interested in Off Topic issues...why in hell do ya click on a "OT" thread?

Come on...you can't be that stupid!!!


[I Don t Know] [I Don t Know] [I Don t Know] [I Don t Know] [I Don t Know] [I Don t Know]

[ March 07, 2005, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: Si Allen ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Bobbie Rochow:
Steve, would it be such a bad idea to add a place for Off Topics? And then, if a topic gets off the main subject, it could be moved? I mean, this sounds fair to everyone, doesn't it?

careful Bobbie, I lost count, but we may be dangerously close to 9 or so folks with the audacity to suggest change. I'd just hate to see a sweet innocent newbie around here be number 10 & shoulder all that guilt if Steve takes his ball home & won't play anymore. [Roll Eyes]

To all the analogys of other clubs where you remove your hat, or parties where the host requests to not smoke etc. etc. here's my analogy:

A topic over in one of the dozens of corners of this party begin's to swerve into differences of opinion on the effects of making public reference to ones faith. Some feel a "reference" is judgemental... some feel a "reference" is pushy... some feel a mere "reference" isn't even up for discussion... but by now it IS the discussion, & not an altogether unreasonable discussion topic to compare views on in general albeit an unpopular, well OK a dissallowed, topic around here.. but hey, it happened, it's moving forward, some folks are allowing theirselves to become better aquainted with their neighbors... a few may get a little snippy.. but this is way off in one of many little corners at the party.

Then word gets out that there was a RED discussion... don't just ask them to stop (lock the thread) don't just escort the snippy commentators out of the discussion (remove attacking posts) ... NO... people were in a RED discussion... round them ALL up... surpress this entire discussion... make it go away before it infects the whole party... wait, your comments weren't snippy or attacking you say?? SO WHAT, YOU WERE THERE... WIPE IT ALL CLEAN... NEVER HAPPENED!! [I Don t Know]

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i remember back in 95 when we was all freinds...iam still that same person.......i think a lot of you need to look inside...and do some house cleaning.
and yes there are "cliques" within the people on this board. some are steves best buds(friends established on like belives, origin and his personel choice)....other are just people he would like to have $50 from. all depends where you fall in those catagories.
iam a tell it as i see it, democrate, vegitarian, AA, non-smoker, tree hugger, owl lover, non-gun owner person. now some of my best freinds are the total opposite. but we still get along as freinds....and i can tell you the freinds i do have....if it comes down to a bar fight....we are gona win, and all of us will protect each other from any harm and we ALL will walk away or none of us will...... this is TRUE freinds.....these are my freind or "clique" if you want to use that term.
so you see this will happen anywhere you got more then 5 people in group....so nothin is gona change.....as for the board growing....thats up to steve, ive seen a lot of suggestions laid before him since 1995, some got acted on most didnt. its his choice....you make bad choices, ive made bad choices.....so has steve.
as for editing posts....iam glad he dont anymore. locking posts only starts a sequel.
deleting posts....should be put in a DELETED FILE & LOCKED....if nothing more then to have it available so the masses can see why steve made his choice. its been suggested 1,000 times for an O.T. section...another of steves choices...
we all are differnt and we all will never all agree.....but we can have adult discussions...without supervision.
ive posted this before and its been deleted for all you political posters THE RUSSIAN NEWPAPER pravda has forums....and they are uncensored....can you belive that....russian web site uncensored? yep www.pravda.ru get it to engish and then go to forums....this way steve dont have to delete you stuff here.

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Why is it people love to see a fight break out in a hockey game, an exciting crash in an auto race, someone slip on the ice, a pie-in-the-face on I Love Lucy, or watch a sporting event in general where two opposing sides are pitted against one another?

And why do so many people just love to stop/slow down and gawk to see who got mashed up in an auto wreck?

I'm making no judgements as to whether this is wrong or right...just wondering about this very human trait.

It seems very difficult to stay away from topics we claim to be uninterested in.?? [I Don t Know]

We should all start a new thread entitled: Forgive me. I've acted out of character by posting something mean/obnoxious/etc...or I have been victim of offensive language and hereby forgive an un-named person.

People who have offended can sign their name...people who have felt offended and forgive the offenders can simply sign their name - no elaborations.


Or...we can have a thread that simply is entitled, "Kiss my butt"....and sign our name with no further elaboration....no people targeted...but just a way to let off steam and know personally what/whom you meant....


could look something like this:


Topic: Kiss My Butt, from:

1.) Todd Gill
2.) Doug Allan
3.) Janette Balogh
4.) Etc
5.) Etc

or

Topic: For their/my rude behavior I forgive/ask forgiveness:

1.) Todd Gill
2.) Doug Allan
3.) Etc


Very generic and less inflamatory....and then we can always seek out the person and let the air out of their tires after work...hehehehehehehe.

We can reduce human language down to a few grunts and groans that most people won't feel to compelled to retalliate against....

[ March 07, 2005, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]

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I can't help but think some Doctoral student is monitoring this site gleaning material for their disortation. Man what a resource for a Human behavioural studies major. We may all someday be famous!
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edited for spelling

[ March 07, 2005, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: Duncan Wilkie ]

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Dissertation

Edit it again. Sorry, I had to.

Of course, around here at times, it could be "Distort-ation".

Edited for punctuation. Boy, it's a Monday around here, isn't it? I'm not immune, either!

[ March 07, 2005, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: David Harding ]

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I stand corrected. I did a spell check here and it passed as is. Then to be sure I did a web search and found lots of "disortations" listed. Mental note...next time check the dictionary or ask David [Smile] before pushing "Add Reply"
Besides us here Canadian hosers can barely read never mind spell. We spend way too much time just keeping warm, who needs skool.
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edited just to frustrate everyone.
Doggie!!!!! go sit in the corner...bad dog.

[ March 07, 2005, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Duncan Wilkie ]

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I understood immediately that Duncan was experiencing a Freudian moment
[Smile]
Dis-orientation - that's what was underlying the little slip in correct spelling.

Just in case Steve comes in for any discussion of this, I am trying very hard to remember what the REASONS were for not allowing an off topic side-board in the way many other boards do it.

It has come up as a suggestion numerous times, as OP said, and was rejected.

I just can't remember WHY NOT ????

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one more analogy before I get back to work

I like fire!!
I have fires in my yard. Eventually the desire to throw more wood on the fire wains & the intensity dies down rather gradually... all the fuel is consumed, and the embers finally transform to a tidy pile of ashes that leave only a faint memory of what once was.

(kinda like how this thread is going to lose steam... and slip away like so many thousand others, although there will be memories, & maybe even an occasional search for the pile of ashes later to confirm those memories)

...then again there are times when a fire is put out ahead of it's time. Dumping water is one way, & it throws up smoke & soot, sometimes soiling those around it... it stinks... & it leaves a mess of unconsumed fuel looking like not completely unlike a charred train wreck. Besides the stink, the smell, the soot, & the soiling of those around it... there is also the remaining fuel laying dormant for the moment... but quite likely to be ignited again.

(like a few other threads I've seen rear up their ugly heads on more then one occasion)

[ March 07, 2005, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]

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Good word pictures....sometimes though, putting out a fire with water keeps the whole neighborhood from going up in flames.....

I like fire too...

But fire also seeks to spread and regenerate itself...to find a new fuel source and exploit that until it's about exhausted...it moves from one source to another until everything in it's path is consumed.

And who can ever forget the ending scene from the movie Dennis The Menace starring Walter Mathau as Mr Wilson....which shows Dennis grilling a marshmellow over a campfire....

...the marshmellow ignites into a firey flameball and Dennis starts waving his marshmellow poker to and fro violently in the air in an attempt to extinguish the flame....

Well instead of it going out...the molten, flaming marshmellow is flung off the tip of the poker, flies through the air and ....you guessed it, firmly adhere's it's sticky mass onto Mr. Wilson's forehead..... [Razz] [Rolling On The Floor]

I'm all for good honest debate...it's finding people that agree on proper debate protocol that's difficult.

[ March 07, 2005, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]

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John.... [Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor] [Rolling On The Floor]

I'm laughing my butt off...that's awesome!!

Edit: P.S.....somebody's been playing with Eye Candy! Is that an alien skin drip and flame I see there?

[ March 07, 2005, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: Todd Gill ]

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Hey, you got a point there, Si, that everyone seems to be ignoring- It says "OT", so why even bother reading it, if you don't LIKE reading Off Topic topics?

That is probably why Steve has not put a special place on here for OT's, because we are supposed to be able to READ anyway.

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Obviously it is time for Steve to lock this thread!

It seems that we have some people with such colossal egos, that they MUST HAVE THE LAST 30,845,684,976,451 WORDS on the subject! I suppose they don't realize that the rest of us see them as world class a-holes!

Just my 2 cents worth!

[For Your Information]

PS.... If you think that I am refering to you...obviously you fit the catagory!

[ March 07, 2005, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Si Allen ]

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Looks like you guys are all getting paid by the word! [Roll Eyes]

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I always enjoy a good debate or discussion, but for the life of me, I can't actually figure what this is all about. I've had many long talks with Steve and Barb about their vision regarding this site and they have very succinctly written it up in the "Laws of Letterville". What's so hard to understand? This site has been maintained very well thus far using their vision, and quite frankly, it seems logical if you disagree with its administration, then START YOUR OWN SITE!

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I'm still waiting for someone to come so we can go have lunch... [Smile]

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Be right there Bruce....How's Chinese?


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I'll go for Chinese!

Hey, now there's a great idea for a new poll! What would be the best message to find in a fortune Cookie?!

Yeah! Let's do that one!....NOT! [Rolling On The Floor]

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I was just looking for the bathroom!

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Please disregard, I'm just trying to get my post count up........

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Chinese it is! I'll be out front waiting.

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ok Bruce went out the front, let's sneak out the back and meet over at Burgerama. [Razz]

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Hey Brooce do they serve chipped ham sandwiches? If so, I'm there!

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