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I bought Norton Ghost 9 and made a ghost copy of my system including the Windows OS and all my programs and settings so that I could reinstall when a drive goes bad....which one did.
However, for some reason, when I try to copy the "ghosted" copy (which boots into Windows no-problem) to the new hard drive that i want to replace for the defective drive....after the copying process, I install the new drive which I think has a good "ghosted copy" on it and try to boot into windows...but it won't. The first drive with the Ghosted copy worked fine....but now I can't seem to get another copy that works.
I'm doing this all through Windows....as that seems to be the way to do it?
Anybody willing to accept a call and help me work this out?
Thanks.
PS - Symantec tech support sucks! I was on hold on their free line for 1 1/2 hours and then decided to go to their pay per incident support option. They make you fill out an online form to get a number for paid support, but the site is jacked and won't even let you submit the form....steam is coming out both ears. I need to talk to a human being.
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When you insert the ghosted drive, did you set it to master? If it is still set as the slave drive and it's the only drive in the system, I don't believe it's going to boot.
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Curtis....everyone keeps telling me about this elusive "boot disk"....yet, I've read the instructions from cover to cover and there is no mention of having to make a boot disk, or if so; how to use it listed anywhere.
My cousin told me to start the computer up with the good drive/the drive that I want to transfer a copy of the system onto/and the Norton Ghost CD in the cd rom drive. My bios is setup to boot from the cd first....
I did this and Norton boots up asking me if I want to do a backup recovery...but it gives me no options to do a "copy to copy" disk transfer of the OS and all settings, files, programs etc. It doesn't have any options for copying from a source drive to a destination or anything like that...as it does in the Windows wizard. I'm perplexed.
I'm kind of amazed now that I was able to do it once within Windows XP and to have that hard drive boot up with no problems.
but my replacement hard drive took a dump, and so I dragged out my "Ghosted system" hard drive thinking I could easily (yeah, right) plug it as my master and put a new hard drive as a slave.....then simply "Ghost copy" a new system copy including OS onto the fresh drive, then remove my "Master Ghost" copy for safe keeping, and re-plug my new drive back into the Master position.....and keep working like nothing ever happened.
But it is not working now.....
Are you using Ghost 9.0? My cousin thinks I'm nuts and/or extremely lucky to have Ghosted a copy in the first place from within windows....
What do you think Curtis? What's the baby step procedure here? I guess i'm not getting this....I MUST have gotten lucky the first time....
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I quit using norton stuff a while ago after it became bloat ware.. i use acronis stuff,,
usually you copy that image back to another drive.. i don't recall ever booting from a ghost clone. however,, I have never used the virtual partition method of ghost either. (no need for floppy) cuz i never trusted it..
Otherwise.. All Ghost's operations are done from a booted floppy disk running DOS.
If you did not use a boot disk,, then I have no idea how it worked. And, since there are so many permutations of using ghost and i have no idea how u manufactured your image,, I would suggest you read this..
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Todd, I've used it via a boot disc OK. I can't say I remember the steps literally, but it never was a problem. I used the boot disc to start up the system to give access to the CD drive. From there I ran ghost and copied the image I had stored on CDs to the hard drive. (That was on a system with only one HD.)
I've used the DOS version of ghost dozens of times to image from one hard drive to another, but from memory, I used a boot floppy first. I can't specify the process here, but it's not been any burden unless there was damage on the image file.
You don't say if you altered the master/slave settings on the 2nd hard drive after you made the new image onto it, so the newly setup drive becomes the master.
I'm not sure how changing the main HD affects XP's preferences with keeping to the 'original' components.
Curtis has found some good links. Best wishes!
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Thanks guys....yes, I did have the "ghosted image" as master (cable select actually but in the master position of the cable) and the fresh drive as slave (cable-select slave position on the ribbon).
I'll read those links Curtis, thanks.
As I understand it, you have to use Ghost 9.0 if you have Windows XP w/ Service Pak2....and are trying to copy it.....??
I think the floppy bootup process was the norm in previous versions.
I've also discovered that if you are trying to do a disk copy of a 120 gb hard drive onto a 300 gb hard drive - - - you end up with a 300 gb drive that has two partitions; a 120 gb partition containing the Ghosted disk copy contents of the original 120 gb drive, and 180 gb "unallocated" partition....because Ghost is dumb and is making a bit to bit copy thus assuming the new drive is identical in size to the first....if you get what I'm saying.
Anyway....I'll read those links but in the meantime am installing Windows XP on the 300 gb drive the old fashioned way....first a format and then the OS and then program, by program, by bloody program....AAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHH...this is painful.
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Victor - will diskimage work with Windows XP Service Pak 2? Where can I find this? I guess I could do a search.....
And what about copying a disk image from a smaller hard drive onto a larger one with that program? Will it create 2 partitions because it is copying the capacity of one drive which is smaller, onto the larger drive?
thanks for your help Victor - - have a great morning.
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Todd, This is an after the fact post but you might want to consider using a Mirror RAID drive setup after your done getting your computer up and going. RAID is where you have 2 ,3 or 4 drives that are the same size and you run them through a RAID controller and what that does is that you have 2 drives that are identical at all times. As for Windows purposes it sees it as only one drive and when you save or load a program it does it on both drives at the same time. That way when you happen to lose a drive everything is on the second drive OS, Everything. Just install a new drive of the same size and it will auto copy to the new drive.. No Down time and no loading Programs ever.. The one Downside to raid is if you get a virus or worm.. Both drives get it. I have been using a RAID for about 4 years now and would never build another shop computer without it.
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Good idea, and thanks for the advice Bill...I'll look further into that. Right now, I have an external hard drive for backup as well as a dvd writer for another hard copy on occasion.
Does raid slow the system down being it is always making 2 copies of everything? thanks for the advice.
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No it Actually Speeds up things as it is accesing both drive at the same time so you get stuff to open Theoretically twice as fast. I really noticed a Major improvment in Photoshop as most of my PS files are around 100 megs and it takes around 4 to 6 secs to open while I use to sit there and watch the blue bar of hell which seemed like forever to open. They also have RAID setups now for the new Serial Drives Which i will put in the next Computer I build and I hear those really FLY.
Ps When you install it and load the drives Make sure you use the Mirroring 1+1 there is another option I cant remember the designation (its used on Servers) it will let you open files like lighting but the drives are linked differently and can cause problems if one of the drives start to fail.
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Todd, Ghost also compresses your hard drive image to something smaller than it was. You can for instance take a 3 gig hard drive with 950 meg of data & apps, and run ghost and get an image small enough to fit on a standard cd. You can usually set the compression to 'fast' or 'high'. Even though the new drive you're using may be a different size from the old one, and even though it thinks it's going onto something the same as it had, the differences disappear once setup, and it becomes what it is.
I've used ghost to take a 10 gig hd with 4 gig of files, and make an image, then restore that image to a 6 gig hard drive. The 'empty space' or unused file space in the drive compresses so much that it doesn't give you a 10 gig ghost image file, and it decompresses safely and the final size difference is of no consequence.
That is with the older versions of ghost though. I haven't put sp2 on this XP system, nor have I worked with HDs as big as you're using.
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Occasionally I've found with an XP/2000 image you have to first boot using a 98 boot disk, then boot as usual into 2000/XP If after re-imaging, the drive is still not bootable there are a whole bunch of other possibilities. Any other hardware changes since taking the image could also significantly contribute. An image is a snapshot of the computer at that exact point in time, any significant updates can change the rules completely. Edited to add that NAV/NIS/SystemWorks 2005 is a pile of the proverbial and discretion should be used when downloading it Assuming you download and install it successfully, using it should be avoided at at all costs HTH David
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Todd, I can't answer your question. Go to Amazon.com, look up Drive Image 7, and go down to the user reviews. The guy restoring a hard drive says it is great. The guy trying to move the image to another drive said it was hard.
At Amazon, you will also find a link to the technical manual. I did not find a clear answer in the manual either.
Here is what Powerquest says about their product: Drive Image 7, the premier backup solution, is a fast, inexpensive, and complete hard drive imaging solution. Unlike file-by-file copying utilities, Drive Image 7 uses SmartSector imaging to create an exact image of a hard drive or partition where your operating system, applications and data resides.
With Drive Image 7, you can create and restore a compressed image file of an entire hard disk or individual partitions of a hard drive. Because Drive Image uses SmartSector imaging, your Windows optimizations are preserved when you restore an image.
Drive Image 7 runs on Windows XP Home and Professional, as well as Windows 2000 Professional Desktop Version.
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Update....I bought Acronis True Image 8.0 and tried a disk copy from one hard drive to another...Perfect results right through Windows! Included the OS and everything!
Then I took that copy and did a disk copy to another larger hard drive - - perfect again, and it even kept the single large, 1 partition on the larger drive!
I am impressed....a great way to back up a clean Windows/programs install for safe keeping should a drive go out...which mine seem to do every other week...
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