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PC's are more popular simply because Apple kept all of it's code proprietary. If you wanted a program for a Mac you had to buy it from them, or from someone they had licensed to produce it.
In an effort to compete Windows opened up to allow anyone to produce software, choosing to make money from selling Windows.
When the personal computer market exploded Mac was unable to compete. Competition drove PC prices down, software competition drove software prices down. For a first computer most people were not willing to spend twice as much for a better product.
So people bought PC's and Windows comes standard on almost every PC made today (which was the most brilliant move of any business, ever) and has become the standard for platforms.
The inferior PC became standard, since most people were using it because it was cheaper and more readily available.
Windows is the cause of half the problems people have with PC's anyway. Linux is such a happier platform.
My G5 is bigger than your P4 anyway
[ January 26, 2005, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: Patrick Whatley ]
-------------------- Pat Whatley Montgomery, AL (334) 262-7446 office (334) 324-8465 cell Posts: 1306 | From: Wetumpka, AL USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Mac vs PC, Oh, how I love the challenge. The numerical statistics of designers on either machine is irrelevant, because each person is getting the job done on the machine that they have. I agree with Don that the Mac user has a machine built by Mac running mostly Mac software. The operating system on OSX (Unix) is up to date and rock solid. System 9 is gone and replaced with state of the art new system. Underneath Windows flashy front is still DOS with it's windows of opportunity for hackers. Mac's have Itunes,Imovies,Idvd,Garage Band,Iphoto, all Mac applications by Mac, for Mac. They come with the operating system. All of the major applications that we use are there. Photoshop, Illustrator being the most used. Both cross platform with PC. The learning curve is no longer than PC and in my opinion is much shorter. Plug and play is decidedly more feasible on a Mac. No searching for new hardware, boom, it pops up on the desktop ready to use. I also have never had a problem getting a printing service to print a file from a Mac. If a printing service can't print a file from a Mac it is a poor service. Now for the best reason for my Mac love fest is that they just plain look sexy. The chrome door G4 in front of me is, IN MY OPINION, the best looking industrial design going. And it is not the newest. In actually fact I like it better than the new G5. I think I have given myself a headache, so I will look forward with breathless anticipation and my eyes ablaze with anticipatory delight, the next exciting chapter.
-------------------- Bob Nugent Hotrodsonline.com Gainesville, GA 30506 hotrod@hotrodsonline.com Posts: 46 | From: Gainesville, Georgia | Registered: Mar 2003
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I'm not limiting myself to the mini as it sounds as if it is more for entertainment than professional purposes maybe I am wrong....wouldn't be the first or the last time, however I am not a loyal PC guy, just want what works and what works with the littlest down time, pain, and such and the last few years in PC world have easily justified what used to be a price difference between the two. I am scared of the grass is greener on the other side but hey sometimes you have to say what the #&%#? to quote a old Tom Cruise movie.....any input?
-------------------- Dan Streicher Slidell, LA Posts: 445 | From: Slidell, LA | Registered: Feb 2004
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Without ever seeing teh mac mini in action, I would guess you're right about it not likely being for professional use. It's more likely an entry machine that would be perfect for a student. Has plenty of power, but uses up very little desk space. A definite plus for a college dorm room.
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I like opening the door of my G5. Kinda like taking the hood off your car and showing of the engine...(as I type this out on my PC) I saw the Mini at the Apple store, very compact. I think with a gig of ram it would be more than okay for any sign and simple print design application.
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-------------------- Rick Chavez Hemet, CA Posts: 1538 | From: Hemet,CA U.S.A. | Registered: Jun 2001
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It's nice to see all the Mac users come out of the closet. There seems to be a few more of us around here than there used to be.
Rovelle, From your comments you haven't touched a Mac in 4 years and have never seen OS X. Stability is awsome, multiple user options are great. If more than you are using the sysetm, your stuff is totally protected. I have a 17" powerbook that I've networked and use as a rip for my HP5000. Right now I have Illustrator, PhotoShop, iPhoto and Posterjet running under my user pane. My wife has Quickbooks, Word, Excel and Safari running in her space. All apps loaded and a tab click away. It has been running like this for weeks. Never shut down. I unplug it Friday and take it to the cabin to work, plug the ethernet back in Monday morning and were off and running.
Pricing is very comparable to quality PC's with equivelent features. Except for ram there is probably nothing you would need to add to most production oriented systems. Start building a Dell with everything the G5 comes with and your catch up very quickly.
Viruses, spyware, adware. I've heard of such things but never experianced them. How many of you guys have had your pc's taken over by that junk? How often do you jave to update your virus apps? How often have MS "service packs" totally screwed you system?
You can compare hardware till the cows come home but it's the OS!
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1356 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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*stickerpimp flashes back to the Apple commercial released at the 1984 Super Bowl - it finally makes sense (of course I was only 8 years old when that was aired, LOL)
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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Your right Mike. Only it was aimed at Big Blue and it should have beem Microsoft.
-------------------- Bill Modzel Mod-Zel screen Printing Traverse city, MI modzel@sbcglobal.net Posts: 1356 | From: Traverse City, MI | Registered: Nov 1998
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The more I look at it, the more I like the mini. Plus, Apple made the memory user upgradeable and will not void warranties if people change it themselves, unless of course they break something else in the process. I'd probably do my own 1GB upgrade though using Crucial RAM and save about $200 off Apple's upgrade price.
My graphics processing needs are not that demanding, plus I'm sure the mini has more power than what I'm using right now! (a 700MHz Dell notebook).
That might change though with an 8 megapixel camera in the works.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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Like a moth to the flame, the discussion goes on. First question is what are you going to do with the computer whether it is a Mac Mini, or a PC. If you plug into the internet I would not have a PC. You will pay the price in time, and money for adware, spyware and virus updates and fixes. I use everyday what I consider the best solution. Mac for all graphics, multimedia production, internet coordination, database, and bookkeeping. I use the PC for testing web page, flash, and interactivity with the internet browsers, plus a few programs that I like on a PC, such as Punch CAD software, and a flash based program for web design. I do connect to the internet with a PC to test browsers, but that is all. The Mac mini in much more than a student or entertainment machine, it is a full bore G4 based computer just like the G4 Powerbook that I have used for a year and will do everything that I shove at it. It may suffer the same fate as the cube, because people don't believe it is big enough to be a computer, but it sure is. If you buy any computer, get all the RAM you can get. PERIOD. RAM will do more for performance than just about anything. If you buy a Mac Mini get the superdrive, and a huge hard drive, if you intend to do any multimedia work. When I referred to crashes on the PC, I refer not to hard drives or operating systems per se, but to the fact that the PC system is susceptible to attack and that best way to fix it is to install a new hard drive and system. Then don't connect the PC to the internet again. Time for my medication and if you disagree, nevermind
-------------------- Bob Nugent Hotrodsonline.com Gainesville, GA 30506 hotrod@hotrodsonline.com Posts: 46 | From: Gainesville, Georgia | Registered: Mar 2003
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