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Mad Cow disease.....back in the news again. Are you concerned about it? Have you known anyone that contracted it? How does it affect your food buying decisions? That's all...just curious.
It seems like this would be something that could be easily eradicated. What concerns me a little is the fact that there is no cure for human contraction of the disease. That's a little scary...and a lot scary if you were on the receiving end.
-------------------- Todd Gill Outside The Lines Potterville, MI Posts: 7792 | From: Potterville, MI | Registered: Dec 2001
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How can you be angry about something you have no control over.
I had an aunt that died from it (at the time it was a rare "Croitchfeldt Jacob" syndrom)(sp) it was a terrible death...no one in her direct family contracted it yet it was believed that she contracted it because she loved and ate the brain and organ meat from the cattle that were butchered on her own farm...(fortunately no one else in the family liked organ meat)thus there was no transmission to other members of the family. (this was in the 70's in rural Missouri...to give you an idea of how long it's been around)
Maybe this will make your concern lessen...personally I'll eat beef til it kills me!
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Here in the Portland area the "Mad Cow" scare hit home when all the hamburger from one major grocery store (where we shop on a regular basis) had to be recalled due to a the cattle from a farm in the region, which supplied a local butcher, testing positive. Most people I know just switched to buying grain-fed beef from other sources.
- Jeff
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Yeah I'm angry about mad cow - about how the fear of it has caused such financial hardship to cattlemen across our country..... But I don't want to get political - so enough said.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Dale - I recently watched the Super Size Me movie and have totally stayed away from burger joints since that night. It was a wake up call for me.
Now friends and I went out the other night and we ended up at a KFC. I don't recall ever feeling that ill after eating that crap. I think my fast-food days are over.
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Here's a REAL scary thought: Farmers and Cattlemen ALL KNOW the financial ramifications if any deseased animal is found or detected in their herds. The impact will become not only theirs, but the entire industry will become suspect, and possible quarantines and trade embargos will result. Knowing that, supposing that someone does find a "suspect" animal in their herd. Do they immediately call up their health/agricultural enforcement people to report their situation, or do they simply shoot the animal themselves, not tell a single soul, and bury the carcass themselves?
Doing "the right thing" just may have become a whole lot harder, when all of the implications are considered. One single attempt to hide or cover-up an infected animal can quickly result in questionable meat getting into the human food chain. How secure does that make you feel???
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Honestly, you've got a better chance of being hit by a bus than dying from Mad Cow. If you worried about all the stuff that could "get you" you'd make yourself nuts.
I know that many of you have been in the food industry at some point and are aware of the "ugly" side of it. The average restaurant in SF and LA gets inspected every THREE years. I could go on but you get the idea.
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I'd dine on Canadian Beef anytime. Love....Jill
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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I'm not paranoid about it I'd say,....but I do think about it.
I haven't stopped eating beef over it myself and wouldn't unless reports of mass detections became apparent.
I'm very concerned in regards to how it could affect the livelihoods of the cattle industry. Hopefully, they can track down the bad stuff...and get it handled.
I won't touch the "aids" comments as I think that would take a political turn for the worse here...but I was really wondering how it might or might not affect Canadian/US food buying decisions.
I'd be more than willing personally, to spend more money for a beef product I know was strictly grain fed. I suppose like anything, in an effort to rush a product to market, health considerations take a back seat.
-------------------- Todd Gill Outside The Lines Potterville, MI Posts: 7792 | From: Potterville, MI | Registered: Dec 2001
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I'm not a real big meat eater anyway because I just don't like it all that much. I do eat some beef on occassion. What else do cows eat if it's not grain? I guess I'm a city chic!
-------------------- Amy Brown Life Skills 101 Private Address Posts: 3502 | From: Lake Helen, FL, USA | Registered: Feb 2001
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I have never smoked an herb which made me eat at McDonalds Persons who know me know that I pride myself of never to have set foot in a Mickey D's
Eat what ya want, just don't tell me about it.
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If you want to read a little more on Mad Cow disease, try reading "Deadly Feasts".Mad Cow or its real name Bovine Sponiform Encerhalopathy, was found out in New Guinna. Semms that some nice Cannibals there were getting a form of Mad Cow disease after they had dined on their fellow dead relaitives. Their brains had developed the same swiss chesse texture as seen in cattle with Mad Cow.
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Sneezing while trying to pull a straight line is a far bigger concern.
That SuperSize video had a big effect on me as well. I knew that sort of diet was bad, but had no idea it could have such a negative effect in such a short time. I haven't had a soft drink since.
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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If you haven't lived with the direct consequenses of what this disease has done to the cattle industry, you don't know what you're talking about. We are out of business and have sold our 1600 acre cattle ranch last year. We were very lucky to find a buyer and get a more or less decent price. Mad cow disease wasn't the only factor but the final blow. Some farmers have taken their own lifes because they can't see any way out of their financial disasters.
Living in a farming area as we do here, there is no escaping from these facts. I think I'd rather hear about something else when I come to this board.
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... Eating ANY meat is a risk. Hello vegetarianism!
...It was those noble cow farmers themselves who fed their cows feed mixed with sick cow brains, spines (etc) that caused this problem. Now that they have supposidly "cleaned up their act", ONE bad farmer could still blow it all.
...There is alot that consumers are not being told about BSE. The meat producers know there would be a massive panic (and lawsuits) if the public knew how prevelent this really is. The meat industry would collapse.
...As human guinea pigs, carnivors will have to wait and see what develops over time. They better pray that this disease doesn't have a latentcy, and doesn't appear after years of eating animals.
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Do you ever consider the consequenses of what you say? Perhaps you could do some research into this first.....
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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Angry about Mad Cow, no. Concerned about feeding it to my children, yes. My wife and I have looked into this pretty close, haven't bought beef since the first case in Canada/US (sorry Lotti).
We are thinking of getting back to it, but not just your standard Safeway/Kroger beef. Two companies stand out in our minds as doing beef the right way. Oregon Country Beef and Lasater Grasslands Beef . Yes, you would pay more for these. Yes, our position may seem extreme to some. Tough cookies!
Special note to Amy Brown - read over the Lasater site or read Fast Food Nation to see the options on what your beef is fed.
Reading about the meat packing industry in general makes one want to become a vegan.
W.R. - eating ANYTHING nowadays is a risk!
Mark (still a carnivore)
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-------------------- Mark Sheflo Renton, Washington A-Squared Signs, LLC Posts: 145 | From: Renton, Washington | Registered: Feb 2003
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This disease spreads because the leftovers from the slaughterhouses are mixed in to cattle feed to increase protein content. Supposedly that practice is now illegal, and given what the cattle industry stands to lose, the law is probably being taken seriously.
There's a lot of disgusting things going on with the corporate food industry. Hogs are given "ditch liquor" which is their own fermented wastes, instead of water, because it increases weight. Of course, it also makes them sick, damaging their livers and kidneys, but they don't live long enough for that to matter.
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Cam Bortz Finest Kind Signs Pondside Iron works 256 S. Broad St. Pawcatuck, Ct. 06379 "Award winning Signs since 1988" Posts: 3051 | From: Pawcatuck,Connecticut USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I haven't bought beef in a store for years and it has nothing to do with mad cow. For years, we've been buying a cow off a local farmer & having it butchered. After living on good beef, I can't stand to even look at the stuff at the grocery store.
I feel for the farmers who have been hurt by this. It's a shame that so many are being punished & loosing their homes & livelihood because of a few bad apples.
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ok as the resident VEGITARIAN here i really dont worry about it...I HAVENT ATE ANY MEAT FOR 16 YEARS!!! yes virginia, you can survive and do very well without any meat in your body. so dont belive all the crap about PROTIEN that you have to have. to debunk this notion thats been feed to you by the MEAT industry....ALL THE MEAT YOU EAT ARE VEGGITARIANS!!! beef, pork, chicken, turkey are NOT MEAT EATER!!! the most powerful and strongest animals in the jungle, silver back gorilla and cape buffalo are VEGITARIANS!! most cats who kill meat are oportunistic killers, which means they kill only the weak, sickly, or old, so dont think the lion is the king of the jungle. do you eat cat, possum, vulture and dogs? NO. these are carnivor animals and for some reason they arent table fair for us. i grew up on a dairy farm, we butchered our own meat. we also used to have a milker go down(saw 2 in 10 years)with what we and the vet called MILK FEVER. incurable, and the cow behaved the same as a cow with mad cow disease. couldnt stand up, constantly falling, legs goin every which way. we would ship her off to the slaughter house...we didnt EAT THE MEAT FROM THIS COW. as for the slaughter house i had a freind who was "afternoon shift cook & janitor". started work at 4 pm after all the killing and butchering was done. he would watch the "COOK ROOMS", all the processed lunch meats, bologna, hot dogs, press ham, killbassi would cook at 150 degree for 8-10 hours....in the time between checking the rooms...he cleaned up the mess. in the center of the floor there was a hole 24-30" diameter and it went into a super duper grinder(like a tree chipper)down in the basement. whole cow heads(with no horns) would drop right in there and in less then 2-3 seconds it was nothing more stuff like a tree chipper makes. the heads, feet, tails, bad cuts of meat, meat that fell on the floor all went in here along with the blood that was collected in the bleed area where they slit the throats...and had them strug up by their back legs. all this would then go to a cooker, big rotating drum like afair and it and was 150-200 degrees and it cooked all the chips with blood, then he would go down there and dump this stuff into a press that made 20-24" discs of all the chips and blood. these would be stacked on palettes and then sold to DOG AND ANIMAL FOOD COMPANIES to be mixed into dry dog/cat food. so nothing goes to waste in a slaughter house. not sure if some of this dont get mixed in with cattle feed. ive said it before if most of you had to kill to eat, most of ya wouldnt eat meat. steve as for the movie SUPERSIZE not only are the sodas bad especially those with artificial sweetners.... what are those mickey d's french fries made of...surly not potatoes.....and 100% pure beef for their meat....cow meat never had that texture to it...hehehehehehe. iam having a medical problem addressed i have a mass/tumor/ blood clot in my bladder and iam having surgury jan 18th. its called a systostopy?, the doc goes in thru "mr winky" and looks inside the bladder, removes the mass, carterizes the bleeding and i should be up and normal in a week. the reason iam adding this to it is the amount of tests and nurses and doctors who have poked and prodded me all seem to be amazed that i dont take any pills, blood pressure is 125/80, colestrol is normal, heart is strong, blood work is above normal std., and iam soon to be 60! i becsme a vegitarian for health reasons only, i still wear leather shoes, leather belt, leather seats in the car, and i almost bought a leather couch. so iam not doin this because i feel for tha animals. iam concerned for my own health and well being.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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quote:Originally posted by Kelly Thorson: Do you ever consider the consequenses of what you say? Perhaps you could do some research into this first.....
He doesnt have to think of what he says...he knows everything....ask him he'll tell you..probably twice
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Gee OP, my two grandfathers lived to a combined age of 184.. they ate meat every day.. never had any peepee problems... maybe a tubesteak now and then would do ya good,,,, hehhhehhhhe,,,, im allowed to pick on him he's my illeg. father....
-------------------- Del Badry philmdesign Sylvan Lake, Alberta Posts: 636 | From: Sylvan Lake, Alberta | Registered: Nov 1998
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I'm not worried about it. All the studies show BSE is isolated to the brain and spinal column, afterall it is specifically a brain disease - a given just from the name alone - Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy.
Stay away from brains and processed meats like sausage and bologna which are made from all parts of the animal mashed together.
Stick to the solid muscle portions and you should be OK.
Anything that's ground up is also suspect, unless you picked out the cut yourself and it ground for you, including what you might get at a restaurant.
It's also worth noting that "Mad Cow Disease" is not some randomly occurring nuisance present in nature. Its sole cause is human intervention, people trying to recycle parts of these animals thinking they can enrich the proteins thus resulting in a healthier product for people.. well, they added protein alright - the Prion Protein, a genetic mutation of feeding an herbivore meat from its own species and the direct cause of BSE.
I saw Super Size Me too... great film. The film itself is pretty disgusting but then there are the extra interviews and factoids on the DVD that just push it over the top.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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ok del...your grandfathers probably killed most of their meat....also it wasnt as "processed" as it is today, and they ate more veggies in those day and worked a lot harder, and most didnt live that long. as for my spelling....its not the only words i spell wrong and has nothin to do with the fact that most here eat to much "processed" meat products. survey of meat eaters...how many are on cholestrol lowering drugs? blood pressure, blood thinners, antacids, or aa hundred other pills you take for problems that are caused from your eating habits. and dave you have no idea of what iam like to make that statement, and what pills do you take, i take none!!...some of you meat eaters are as hard headed as SMOKERS & DRINKERS are in defence of your "drug of choice". as for me posting what i said its FYI and like it or not THERE ARE PROBLEMS PEOPLE. but dont worry about it as long as your govt inspectors, FDA, all agree its good for you....then hay...KNOCK YOURSELFS OUT. in all reality you got to admit to meat being part of the obesity problem...how many fat chinese you see from eating to much rice? anyway i know what works for me, and if iam such a bad example then improve on what i do......in your own way.
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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What does this have to do with sign painting???
Well, that's easy! It's tough to work on an empty stomach, and I presume there are enough mobile signmakers that necessitate eating "on the road." I have to believe a lot of us would be eating burgers....or subs.
OP - you actually stated your case well....you pose a legitimate argument even though this topic has gotten way off track.
It's kind of humorous how you can start a topic on brush cleaners and it ends up a debate on the cause of pimples.
Hey, I'm not saying I'm not guilty because I am, .....just saying it's humorous in a way.
Back on track; I have to agree with Kissy's solution. I have been thinking about getting beef via her plan for a while now. I'd like to try that.
A recent article in Consumer Reports dealt with the quality of super market chicken. ALL major brands tested around the country with the exception of 2 tested positive for Salmonila bacteria.
They suggested thorough cooking to kill it of course but it was an eye-opening article that pointed out the need to be very diligent when preparing food and avoiding cross-contamination.
Have a great evening everyone...your replies are all very interesting....thanks to those who contributed ....
-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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Avoiding mad cow prions by just eating meat and avoiding brains may not be possible.
Cows are killed by shooting a bolt into their brains, causing lots of damage across the blood brain barrier, their heart continues to pump blood for a few minutes circulating prions through the meat. So it is possible to have prion contaminated meat.
After reading up on madcowboy.com I decided that OP was right and I have entirely changed my diet.
ernie
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