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just want to hear if iam the only one whos seeing a real awakening here. VIOXX, CELIBREX, ALEVE, PROZAC(now it responsible for people commiting suiside, one of the things its supposed to help you not do)...and how many others....that havent been in the news....are doing more harm then good? the TV ADDS NEED TO STOP...they are worse then the cigarette adds...WHICH THEY ARENT ALLOWED TO HAVE...a drug is a drug...be it nicotine, alcohol,FDA APPROVED PILLS, marijauna, coke, crack, heroine, opium. all have some degree of destructive ablity.....oh and BAYER PHARM called me again...wanting to know my situation with the bladder problem. they want medical records and will call me a week after the surgury. hummmmmmm maybe ALEVE DOES have something to do with my problem.
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Those ads really irritate me too! One of the things that bothers me most is for some of the ads, you can watch the whole thing and the when it's done, you still aren't sure what the drug is for! You DO know that you should ask your doctor to prescribe it for you though! Even though there is a list as long as you arm (1/4 to 1/2 of the commercial time) of all the side effects....yeah, I want to be taking THIS!! We are such a "fix it for me NOW" society sometimes. The "take a pill and you will be cured" mentality has gotten way out of hand, IMHO. There ARE good drugs, I'm sure, but sometimes I feel like we are just guinea pigs. some people laugh at me, but I don't even like taking aspirin.
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Nope, it's not just you. The TV ads sometimes make absolutely no sense. Some of don't even hint at what the drug is supposed to do, just "ask your Doctor if ***** is right for you". You also have to wonder just what prompts the doctors to write all these prescriptions for these drugs. .................. Uh, nevermind, that has to be the stupidest thing I've ever posted on here The FDA is a real joke, they will OK all this harful crap the US drug companies come out with, yet hold off forever some life saving drug that has been used overseas for years with no problems.
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I don't mean for this to be a downer, but my Jay committed suicide within a month after being prescribed Xanax and Prozak. It wasn't in the news and no one told us it could possilby cause suicide tendencies, in some people.
Could have been the 'mix' of drugs and/or affects of some of the other stuff prescribed during the course of chemo and radiation therapies. His chemo treatments were completed. His oncologist referred to him as 'the miracle man.' During the course of treatment, they warned of an addition to Oxicontin and knew he should be weened off. Weekly, they lessened his does while they prescribed Zoloft. After a visit with his primary care physician, he was put on Xanax & Prozak, instead of Zoloft. Shortly, Jay complained of being anxious and showed signs of obsessing. We were concerned. Another visit to the PC physician to no avail. We, were told that it takes time for the medication to work, up to three months. It was only a few days later, Jay bailed out!
It wasn't until last year, that I heard about the suicide rates. I was infuriated that we knew something was wrong and our voices went unheard. Jay, was relieved of his bout with cancer and was taken away for the use of these little pills!
Don't get me started... Arrrg!
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All these drugs are for persons who don't really know how to live, but yet want the government and others to help them along the way. Life is a learning process from the day you're born, if you fail to learn how and what to eat, sleep or anything related to life while you're on this planet, whose fault is it? As a non-participant in most of how other persons live their lives and yet a quick learner of pain in my old age, I can attest to symtoms which made me this way and yet don't give a ratsass which way you have chosen. Tell me that you're a vegitatarian, tell me that you're a meat eater, a democrat, republican, what you believe or don't believe in and I'll tell you it don't confront me as long as I can sit back with oir without you and smoke a bowlfull. Drugs are manmade, not naturally grown
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I cannot understand with all the time on the internet, that very people do research into their own ailments. I have a hereditary heart condition that means that I have to be careful with everything I injest. Only thing I was told by the cardiologist was too abstain from alcohol. Same cardiologist tried to sell me bypass surgery, which I knew was a sham and could not help my condition, Fired Cardiologist. I have done research on my own. First through the public library and now through the internet. The medications I take I am sure are what I need and if there is a natural alternative, I go for that. You must learn to heal yourself.
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I realize some medications are absolutley neccessary but the drug business is totally out of control. They feed us full of these TV ads that suggest we run to the local Doc and get an armful of pills for every little ailment we might think we have! Oh but don't get them from Canada cause they are not safe and YOU'LL DIE!
And I feel the same way about some of these drug advertisiments....not sure what it cures but it might cause me to bleed out the eyes and feel nauseous and maybe a bit of diarrhea!
I think there are many natural solutions that have been used for generations but it is easier to do the armfull of drugs instead of the research and a bit of footwork....or worse yet, deal with a hangnail for a day or two.
I myself am going to hold off on taking anything for as long as I can.....and if I do DIE...oh well, I've had a good run. And I won't have to sit through anymore pathetic TV ads!
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joey iam with ya ......watched a show on the history channel the other nite on how POT was demonized in the 20's. (pick up a copy of REEFER MADNESS, and you will laugh all the way thur it) not because of its drug affect but its threat to the cotton industry!!!!!! again the powerful lobbist got there way in the govt. jerry: as for gleening info from the net, here is a personel one. in my doctor report in the CT scans,the person who wrote it made referance to a word more then once which was GRANULOMATOUS. also said i had the disease. go to the net and do a search of this and you find something that is kinda bad, also said most children who have this genetic diease dont live pass their teens!!! when i went to uroligist at the VA for the pre surgury consult....i asked what this was...and how serious it was. he kinda chuckled and said its not serious, all this is saying is that at some time in your past you have developed a small spot of SCAR TISSUE!!!! fancy words being misused!!!! hehehehe sad note: got a phone call this morning a dear freind of ours for 20 yrs had passed away last nite at the ripe old age of 48-49!!!! only really bad thing she every did was SMOKE CIGARETTES....some kind of bone cancer... she will be missed.
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quote:...a drug is a drug...be it nicotine, alcohol,FDA APPROVED PILLS, marijauna, coke, crack, heroine, opium. all have some degree of destructive ablity.....
OP - just to clarify....marijuana, cocaine, crack, heroin, opium.....have some degree of destructive ability? You're kidding right?!
If not, maybe you should ask Jim Belushi how cocaine enhanced his brother John's life....or ask a high school principle how marijuana is improving the lives of scores of seemingly unmotivated students walking around in a fog....
Ok, back to the pharmaceutical angle.....
I don't think the FDA is so much at fault as is the Pharmaceutical companies themselves. In articles I've read concerning the connection between Prozac and Suicidal impulses among young people (this phenomenon seems to be age related?) it appears the drug companies have purposely overlooked this known connection and deleted it from there warnings.
I could be totally wrong, and please correct me if I am....but it seems like the FDA reads the reports and testing results of drugs they consider for authorization and then vote on it.....but if they are voting on fraudulent studies, they have been kind of blindsided.
If this is the case, there needs to be more direct involvement than currently exists between FDA personnel and drug companies studies.
Personally? Even though I'm Republican...I don't throw my support behind EVERY corporate entity come hell or high water. I'd like to think I'm more discriminating than that. And I think the drug companies need a red hot poker stuck up their butts.
I'm all for profit, but not at the risk of a person's health....and, it kind of bothers me to think that some of these drug companies are capable of sending as much money as the collective taxpayers have to help the asian crisis....ONLY in the fact that they can do it in the blink of an eye and it irritates me to think that our old folks are having a rough time affording health care. I'm glad boo-koo aid money is getting to those poor people.
Surprised you didn't I? However I'm definately not for Socialist Hillary Care.
I do believe their needs to be some kind of government controls or involvement to a degree.
Bad drugs and high costs are costing us big time.
Joey - I can't help but wonder how a person that prides himself in being such an independent thinker can allow his way of life to be so strongly influenced by a need to "sit back and smoke a bowlful" of drugs?! It seems to me you're the slave, not the master of your destiny. Flame on ... (no pun intended)
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todd....you see nothing was said about politics other then my referance to a historical show that was on the HISTORY CHANNEL...they said this on the show. so get off the political crap!!! SHEEEEEEEZZZZZ as for what you want to belive about the ills of pot(from what you have been told to belive, since your to squeeky clean and uptight to have ever tried it)its not as bad its made out. hence the word DEMONIZED was used also on this show, and you have listened good. ive smoked pot, done coke, did opium(my drug of choice) drank booze, smoked cigarettes....and you know what...outa all that stuff the only things that ever created problems in my life..WERE ALL LEGAL!!! booze, cigarettes, and scrip drugs.....ALL GIVEN TO BY A DOCTOR!! i was doin what lintbag did in the 70's!!!! so dont give me this holier then thou stuff and that i dont know what the bad things drugs can do..i know more then you will ever understand. ive lost more freinds to ALCOHOL, SCRIP DRUGS, CIGARETTES then i have lost to coke,opium or pot.
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I have severe reactions if I take Penicillin or Erythromycin, it could probably kill me. I think these drugs should also be taken off the market!
How absurd is it that each of us can cite a drug use/misuse that has caused another persons loss of life, yet we seem to ignore the GOOD that seemingly 10's of thousands of people derive from these same drugs? It's all a matter of perception. Granted, the FDA testing of the drugs mentioned above may not have been as thorough as we would want. Think about it though. From what I read, the testing that found the problems with these drugs was from a Cancer study. Maybe some drug cocktail caused increased reactions? Maybe the Cancer causes an compound reaction?
In addition to this, I have a theory that rats are naturally more susceptible to Cancer anyway.
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Gene...you are correct...those rats are a special breed! They are bred to be extremely suseptable to cancer!
Of course, the results of some of the cancer testing is 'suspect'! I remeber one test: an artfical sweetener....the rats were given the equivalent of you drinking 550 cans of soda pop....every day for many months!
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Dang, reading this thread got me to thinking about way back when I started in the trade. I spotted a corner sign with the word 'Drugs' done up in double stroked ruby red neon (fabricated back when GTO cable was 1/8" solid square copper!). Oh, that was a perty piece of neon, I damned near swiped it one night.
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Todd, Some say, ignorance is bliss, this must be your case and I accept it, I've gotten this from your past posts as well as your replies. I don't normally reply to your problems because you really don't have the understanding and being influenced may be your forte so I feel a little more education is what you really need. I'm not as brain washed as you are and yes I'm a free thinker and I know the difference between drugs and bullsh-t as well as the political and the religious end of it. Persons like yourself make me want to choke your last breath of fresh air from your lungs.
Are we having fun yet?
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OP - wow! Holier than thou! I don't do nor subscribe to illicit drugs and that makes me holier-than-thou?
And I'm not quite sure why you think I am bringing politics into this....I would have thought you would be pleased with my unhappiness with the current condition of prescription drugs and healthcare?!
I would agree that cigs, alchohol and some prescription drugs can be bad...but in your haste to bring down the drug companies for your bad health (which may or may not have any bearing on your current physical condition) you are forgetting the overwhelming good that prescription drugs do for mankind.
The average lifespan of man continues to increase...largely due to prescription drugs....even in the face of ever increasing pollution, overpopulation, and the wholesale spread of communicable disease.
For instance, 20-50 million people worldwide were estimated to have been killed by the "Spanish Flu" - 500,000 in the US alone....Gosh, aren't you glad we developed flu vaccines?
Polio crippled millions of people...boy, I wonder why you don't see that today?
Smallpox killed millions of people....but now it is considered eradicated in it's natural occurring form. Hmmmm....let's see, I guess some wise-ass (I felt compelled to use the word "ass" just so you don't think I'm too Holier-than-thou) scientist developed a fix for that too..
Now, the cure for these maladies have also caused a certain percentage of death by their use in people who couldn't tolerate them. That is a tragedy for sure...but like anything in life...it's a numbers game.
Do you spare the lives and suffering of 10,000 knowing the inoculation will kill 10? And how does the doctor feel when he discovers the patient he injected with a routine vaccine...died because of it? Does God judge him a murderer even though his injections saved 300 people?
The cures and theories behind preventing mass death from the flu were created and implemented with far less technology and testing than today's drugs...I would guess.
Yet I do agree that there is a sinister side to the system today in that greed and profits are SOMETIMES the motivation to rushing drugs to market with known issues....without the public's knowledge. And that IS a crime.
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I too agree that our society is steadfastly led to believe that only drugs like antibiotics, antidepressants, and other such cure alls are what we need. I absolutely hate taking anything and work ultimately towards that. I take one type of medicine on a regular basis as of right now, but am trying to "wean" myself from it. Joey makes alot of good points towards the end result of taking care of yourself and living your life as you see you should. And to tell you the truth, I smoked a few joints back years ago. If you drink a beer or two, or throw down a few shots of whiskey or such, I really think that does more damage than good ol mary who wanna. Heck, you can get the dang stuff about anywhere, they oughta go ahead and legalize it and other hemp type stuff. More people have and do smoke it than wants to admit.
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Meth is readily available too...let's legalize it...and the people who cook that stuff up in the back of their vans so we can visit our naive kids in the morgue are of the highest caliber of personal character.
I see the kids that are dopers at my kids school. They aren't the ones that are "happy"....
I'm not saying anyone is or should be "perfect"....we've all done stuff that we couldn't call the hilight of our life....
This Holier-than-thou label is nothing more than a weak attempt to justify the unjustifiable.
I'd agree with you John that, if possible, we should seek other means for aleviating lifes bumps and aches and pains if we can.....weightlifting or running would be two things that come to mind that are good stress relievers....
But I can't subscribe to the notion that sitting around puffing pot till the veins in your eyes pop is enlightenment....
I see that as nothing more than being a slave to your own self-indulgence. An independent free-thinker can't really be very free thinking when his mind is being manipulated by thought distorting drugs....right Joey?
I suspect this "I do what I feel is right-and screw everyone else and screw the law" mentality has more to do with an inability to quit the habitual behavior than it does with excercising a legitimate choice.
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and... so...that's what I've been saying all along..now do you still think I'm crazy?? I feel better than I've ever felt in my life and I'm 51. But, I just started doing a couple basic things, and am pretty lazy about most, although I've studied nutrition for 30 years now. some books I read long ago: "what's cookin with Mother Nature" Dick Gregory (this is an eye opener). "Survival into the 21st century" "Let's Have Healthy Children" Adelle Davis "the Feingold Diet" Dr. Feingold these are some of the books I read in the late 70's. but my grandmother was studying Feingold in the 60's and helped my cousin with dyslexia before the word was invented. Took him off the red dyes. Modern medicine (200 years old) Herbal and natural remedies thousands of years old; Sure, surgery has it's place, some meds have their place, but why wait till you throw your health away and then need it??? or "think" you need it? the FDA is owned by the large pharmaceutical companies and the lobbyists they hire. Come on. God put everything on this earth to heal ourselves, but we just have to do a little looking and asking. Please just do something nice for yourselves, treat yourselves right and start eating healthy, keep your digestion going, and get plenty of fresh air and lots of good lovin! Start complaining! Write your senators! Pleaaaaaaaaaase! and Joey, why not just eat the pot and not smoke it??
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tood the more you justify your "straight laced", demonized drug retoric the more i see the hard lined, unknowledgeable extent of your drug use. which to your type is a good thing, cause it probably woulda put you over the edge if you did drugs. not ever doing a drug and then tellin the world about how bad it is for is a sign of ignorance. like i said ive done most drugs, didnt do LSD because i knew my mind wasnt strong enough to handle it, and lot of people like me tryed it and died. hennie the woman ive had the best, most peaceful 22 years of my living with..is a LSD QUEEN!!! yes, she been on more trips then you have been to the grocery store! is she crazy? no, does she act like a DRUG CRAZED person? no, she works every day is well liked by all who know her and one of the most caring people ive ever met. is there a good life after drugs? you listen to the people who tell you how bad it is...and they say no or the quality of life is dimished. BULL CRAP my uninformed freind. i lived in a DRUG/ALCOHOL REHAB and went in as a patient and wound up as one of the best counsolers. and all my freinds their were what you would consider the "dregs" of society. and so was i ...in your eyes. that was 1975-79. i woulndt trade anything for what i learned in those years from those wonderful people. many from there are holding great jobs, donig things with there life most only dream of. so dont tell me how terrible drugs are...i know 1st hand from the ones i knew who DIDNT make it out alive, and the drugs consumed their life. no i dont condone children doing drugs. neither do i condone catholic school...either way can leave a permanent scar on a young mind. also i know some of these drugs have miraculous curing powers....look at magic johnson...HIV positive how many years now? tiny nitro pill can stop a heart attack, morphine(dirivitive of OPIUM)can make pain disappear. but ALL THAT IS ADVERTIZED IS NOT MIRICAL DRUGS!!! this is my point only take what drug you know that will kept you well. iam gona p.o. a few with this:PROZAC, ZOLOF, ADD MEDICINE, most who take it really dont need it....and this is my whole thing with drugs....whay take crap you dont need, but these big drug companies keep pushin...what is the differance from them to any DRUG PUSHER....TO MAKE MONEY.....no matter what! oh yes..ther FDA APPROVED....which makes them all good?
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quote:Originally posted by Todd Gill: [QUOTE]...a need to "sit back and smoke a bowlful" of drugs?! It seems to me you're the slave, not the master of your destiny. Flame on ...
OK... Todd, if you ever invested at least a year on recreational marijuana use (study, exploration... then step up now & defend yourself, otherwise OP is absolutely right, not only are you misinformed but you are severely tarnishing your otherwise intelligent & (somewhat ) balanced persona with ridiculous ignorant blather.
quote:Originally posted by Todd Gill: [QUOTE]...ask a high school principle how marijuana is improving the lives of scores of seemingly unmotivated students walking around in a fog...
One way it might be helping is by doing what some of those zoloft crap pills claim to do, & helping some kids keep from going over the deep end dealing with the crazy lifestyle this culture has exposed kids to for generations. I was a bit of a loose cannon myself & IMO the HERB (no more a Drug then oregano, or coffee) had a positive effect on my ability to integrate in the workings of society w/o being brainwashed in the process.
When I started smoking daily It was the beginning of my 3-1/2 years as an honor roll H.S. student graduating ahead of my class, participating in athletics, school band etc.... later when I completed 2 years of architectural trade school with a 4.0 GPA I was also the teachers aide to help catch my peers up with me. I smoked before & after class every day, & during my self-motivated extensive homework, research & paid side jobs.
I started my sign career in NYC smoking every day, I climbed the corporate ladder hand-over-fist like there was no tomorrow, getting raises & promotions every other month, while routinely putting in overtime late at night when I could smoke while producing mathmatically intensive architectural projects with impeccable accuracy.
My point in blowing all this smoke (all true, but admittedly egotistical sounding) is to say that I have earned the right to participate in this discussion... have you?
comments like "I see the kids that are dopers at my kids school. They aren't the ones that are "happy"...." just show us that YOU see what you want to see... how do you know that the happy honor roll students are not also "dopers"? How do you know that the kids you condemn are the way they are because of herb... rather then because of other problems that the herb is helping them cope with?
OK, I can agree that not everyone who has indulged in that experience has had the same results as me... but neither has everyone had the stereotypic downward spiral into uselessness that you imply.
quote:Originally posted by Todd Gill: [QUOTE]... I see that as nothing more than being a slave to your own self-indulgence. An independent free-thinker can't really be very free thinking when his mind is being manipulated by thought distorting drugs....
THAT IS THE SOFULLOF**** REMARK THAT GOT ME ON THIS RANT!!!
...whoose mind is manipulated now, regurgitating that ancient propaganda when you clearly don't even remotely know W.T.F. you are parroting on & on about!
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Another prime example of what happens when we stray off topic. In this case, it became personal and nasty. The people involved know the rules and conduct we expect. Dispite house rules, some still choose to ignore them.
Might be an interesting topic to some, but it has nothing to do with why we are here. We don't need the extra stress.
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