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Hi Boo! Where ya been? Ain't seen you since you walked me home that night. In my opinion, if you lower the fee to $25, even less money will go to Barb-n-Steve because there will still be the same amount of Residents. Love....Scout
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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I'm sure Boo meant the membership would no doubt increase to a level well beyond its current number, & beyond double in time, due to the lower cost. I think that's why Boo suggested a poll. But then, I'm not Boo, so this is just speculation. I personally don't see what all the clatter is about.
-------------------- Dave Parr Sign Painter USA Posts: 709 | From: USA | Registered: May 2003
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I say let's kill this mockingbird. I think Steve needs to send out a blanket email to all current Members - Resident & Visitor, Lurkers etc. Anyone who has participated and for whom he has email addresses. I guarantee there will be quite a few new faces showing up on the board. Of course maybe that's not a good idea, for that same reason. I sometimes have enough trouble looking at the current faces. Then you'll have to look at my mug!
-------------------- Gene Golden Gettysburg Signs Gettysburg PA 17325 717-334-0200 genegolden@gettysburgsigns.com
"Art is knowing when to stop." Posts: 1578 | From: Gettysburg, PA | Registered: Jun 2003
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I was thinking along the lines of what Dave suggested. Maybe there should be a 3rd category besides Visitor & Resident. Somewhere in between, could be some who would not receive all the perks reserved for Residents. They would contribute, but not expect to be eligible for the draws or have their picture (or that substitute box) by their name. Not everyone is comfortable with that anyway.
The only perk they'd ask for is to be able to use the picture posting area, currently reserved for Residents only. That could have some limits placed upon for posting them. They could be restricted to only posting ON Topic subject matter, and a limit to how many pics to post (in a certain time-frame) could be enforced.
The Residense will still believe they control all aspects of the board. That's never gonna change; even though Steve's attempted sermon suggested otherwise. So maybe a third title might ease the tension. Of course, this is all from a former Resident, now turned to a (usually positive) contributing Visitor. I may never see myself as a Resident, but also can never abandon the Letterhead movement; as I thought it was meant to be.
-------------------- Bill Cosharek Bill Cosharek Signs N.Huntingdon,Pa
bcosharek@juno.com Posts: 705 | From: N.Huntingdon, Pa, USA | Registered: Dec 1999
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Three years ago I knew absolutely nothing about the sign "business". Today, because of the board and it's many contributors, I have been able to help 2 sign companies markedly increase their net incomes.
For a mere $50 I have gotten what could be considered a "masters" degree in the in's and outs (or should that be the innies and outies?)of successfully running a sign business.
Spent 30 years turning around multi-family rental properties that were in distress. Most of the same good business practices apply to the sign trade...BUT...
The sign business has many areas that are unique to it only. Those areas of difference were quite evident when joining this and other boards and perusing the archives for hours and hours and hours. This board and its archives are a gold mine of ideas, practices, suggestions that can make the difference to many readers between working for just a weeks pay and building a business that will put their kids though Princeton and not just the community college.
$50...geez, that's not as much as I spent for my last tooth cleaning, and I'm sure that dental technician won't contribute to my grandkids college fund.
This site surely will. Come on folks, get off the dime and cough up the "chump change" that helps this place exist. The profit from one single sided 24x36 yard sign should about cover it and leave you lunch money to boot.
-------------------- William "Irish" Holohan Resting...Read "Between Jobs." Marlboro, MA 01752 email: firemap1@aol.com Posts: 1110 | From: Marlboro, MA | Registered: Dec 2001
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I now for the first time skimmed this post, noticing it just going on and on and on.
Someone said it right! This is a dumb waste of time post.
Obviously those pay to whom coming here is worth it. They pay out of respect for Steve and Barb's work to make this Board possible.
Those with agendas or to whom it is not worth it, don't pay, and it is none of my business.
As usual though, I have an opinion on the non-payers that hang out and contribute every day. Be cool....pay for what you are getting, and for what you seem to want.
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If all we're going to do is browbeat each other then this thread truly is a waste of energy. If some insights to raise awareness or cash are hatched then it is useful. So far I'd say it must have raised some awareness, particularly with newcomers who haven't heard this rant before. So that's a plus.
A couple new cash generating ideas have also been introduced that I don't remember hearing before. Why not a 'supporter' status for $25? Perks or not. For that matter, why not a 'booster' status for $10? Sam Walton made billions on the lower-price/more-sales model.
And why not a 'contribution' button on every thread for those impulse moments of generosity? Paypal can do that for like 2% with zero up-front or monthly charges, putting proceeds directly into a paypal account which can be transfered automatically to a checking account.
And where are the Letterville T-shirts and hats and aprons for sale? Yes, that would take some up-front investment and time to inventory, ship etc, but has it ever been truly explored? Ideally those things should be for sale online and at every meet shouldn't they? (But the first two ideas are much more immediate and cheaper to initiate). Beats carping at each other.
SONGPAINTER Original Sign Music by Sign People NOW AVAILABLE on CD and the proceeds go to Letterville's favorite charity! Click Here for Sound Clips! Posts: 1974 | From: Orleans, MA, Cape Cod, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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That's twice you've said that. Seems to me you are adding to this "waste of time" post. And repeating yourself no less. Seems to me that you keep coming back to read it. Makes you wonder???
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""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3516 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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"Personnally I decided not to answer any topic or question brought by a non-resident unless I know that the person is new here or unable temporarly financially to pay his taxes"
Threads getting dumb??? take a look at that gem
Absolute worst thing i have ever seen posted here and if thats what you think a place like this is,you need to reevaluate yourself and decide if youre here to share what you know or just because you feel only certain people are worthy of being involved with you....jeeze dont check this thread for a couple days and it grows yet noone will dare touch that statement. Absolutely juvenile,two faced,pathetic attitude. You learn and share on a site like this thru respect of others.........and respect is something you earn thru your actions,its not something you buy,ever.
-------------------- Gavin Chachere Plotter in the garage,New Orleans La.
"Sgts Shugart and Gordon again request permission to rope down to crash site two" Posts: 1223 | From: new orleans.la. | Registered: Mar 2000
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Gavin......... That's the post that got me into this in the first place............
I couldn't believe i saw it either......Had to read it several times just to make sure I was reading it right.....but check my posts, I dared touch it.....and posted a quote. But you're right......NOBODY will say anything about someone saying something like that.....just worry about a person that says this is a dumb post......hahahaha
No big thing and still a pointless thread...... Steve and Barb have a pretty good handle on this place...........Always Have, and most likely Always Will......providing all these little "helping hands" stay out of the pie....
Not to Worry.....We can tune in in about six months or so, and see the same thing all over again..........with the same people making the same comments....including me and Joey.. :)hehehe
How ya doin anywayzzz.... ??
........cj
ps..gotta put them smilies in there.
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-------------------- CJ Allan CJs Engraving 982 English Dr. Hazel, KY 42049
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I may be dense, or unable to decipher some of the more rambling comments. Probably just dense.
But the suggestions of tiers and levels and different types of status and differing amounts of contributions seem really a ridiculous way of approaching the "problem".
Do you guys like doing paperwork? Are all you right brain dominants really suggesting Steve and Barb need to diversify into that kind of account keeping.
I would laugh, but I have a cold, and then I would cough and spit and maybe even SPIT UP.
What in the heck is 50 dollars a year for the value we get here? A dollar a week! Excuse me, but that does not qualify for extortion nor for a real "purchase". Surely not worthy of a thread this long and tedious, when we could be discussing things of some actual value.
Heck, all things considered, I would pay that little just to be taken as seriously as I am on this board, to have almost every other post I comment on deleted.
Beats having to open the phone book to see your name in print. Smileys omitted on purpose.
-------------------- Myra A. Grozinger Signs Limited Winston-Salem, NC
signslimited@triad.rr.com Posts: 1244 | From: Winston-Salem, NC USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Sheesh... and I really thought that was chicken...
-------------------- Bruce Bowers
DrCAS Custom Lettering and Design Saint Cloud, Minnesota
"Things work out best for the people who make the best of the way things work out." - Art Linkletter Posts: 6469 | From: Saint Cloud, Minnesota | Registered: Jun 1999
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No, no no... that was some people trying to make chicken salad by being chicken sh!t...
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-------------------- Bruce Bowers
DrCAS Custom Lettering and Design Saint Cloud, Minnesota
"Things work out best for the people who make the best of the way things work out." - Art Linkletter Posts: 6469 | From: Saint Cloud, Minnesota | Registered: Jun 1999
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Wow! 97 posts on the Resident Issue! Ever notice how the smallest thing can become an issue? When you start sniping at each other, it's time for me to step in.
This is not a big issue. There's no can sitting anywhere and we're sure not looking for donations. Letterville is not only a fulltime business, but the most popular "sign website" in the World. Advertising revenue is good. With a few more phone calls it could be really good.
I've already explained why Residents are important so there's no need to go into all that again. Letterville could be compared to PBS TV. You are encourged to become Residents. Instead of the Peter, Paul & Mary video, we'll give you some other perks. The guy or gal who walks away with the 4x8 sheet of Everwood HDU, the Vector Art Collection , or any of the other great door prizes available to Residents in our Monthly Draw will be one happy camper. There is a real value in being a Resident these days.
This posts are always a great chance to toot our own horn and make everyone aware of the Resident Opportunity. In short, it's a win win situation for all invoved.
So lets stop badgering Visitors to become Residents. Some of my dearest and oldest friends are still Visitors. It's no big deal. And by the way! I always intended to send PBS a $100 buck, but never got around to picking up the phone. Life without the Peter, Paul and Mary video sucks.
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"So lets stop badgering Visitors to become Residents"
that does sum it up well enough. It sounds like the closing note before locking up too... what happened? did ya forget to turn the key on the way out Steve? Come on, lock this bad boy up before we start a new week with the same old crap
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Good post Jeff! I can relate to the lightbulb moment on this site's value. I've had many!
By this post, I'm reminded of one of it's greatest virtues. This Steve Shortreed guy! Positive, tolerant, compassionate, reasonable, sticks to his ideals and keeps a sense of humour. A tall order considering the brats he babysits here.
Nettie
-------------------- "When Love and Skill Work Together ... Expect a Masterpiece"
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Okay, When I become a Resident, can I pick my neighbors? At least the neighborhood?
I can't wait! As a resident, my posts will be more intelligent as well as being accepted as gospel, my status will rise, and I can talk about these freeloading visitors and call them out for what they really are. Oh, and my teeth will be whiter AND I can jump higher.
I still want to move here... go figure!
-------------------- Gene Golden Gettysburg Signs Gettysburg PA 17325 717-334-0200 genegolden@gettysburgsigns.com
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OK Gene, that's a little out of line. If someone indicated that, I am sorry. But, you know as well as I do that most of the Residents are decent people.
My whole reason for even commenting on this was to advocate security for residents as well as visitors.
""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3516 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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I KNOW!! Over 100 posts on THIS and bunches on rotten vinyl...and on all Todd's polls about nostalgic items, cold remedies or coffee....!!
. . .but I post a topic for names & their meanings and get hardly any interest . . .
But I don' wanna be a baby . . .
and frankly I don't care whether anyone is a resident or not . . . actually, the less residents.... the less competition on the draws each month for those aw'sum prizes...
An' yer so right again Gene . . Art IS knowing when to stop . . . .'cause the colours of this topic have become so muddy . . . I'm still not sure what the "new insight" is . . . or was . . . .
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Gene, I hope you can't jump too high now, b'cuz if you're moving in next to me, I don't wan'cha looking over the fence!
I'm not taking this post as personally as some are I guess. If I were so sensitive, I'd be thinking Gene just called me a snob because I'm a resident! hahaha
Well, sure, I am all that and a bag of chips, but that's got nothing to do with my residency status. And there's only ONE person I'd even think of calling a freeloader if she didn't cough up 50 bux ... and that's ME.
But hey, that's between me, and me.
Lighten up people. We're all ok. Okay? Nettie
-------------------- "When Love and Skill Work Together ... Expect a Masterpiece"
""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3516 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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So lets wrap this up. Here's what we have learned.
1. We value our Residents because their financial support means Letterville can continue to exist as is without solely relying on suppliers. Residents are the only "sponsors" of this website.
2. Residents do not have any official special status. We acknowledge many have a long, loyal history here at Letterville and we love them to death. Most would continue to be Residents if there were no perks at all. Thank You Residents.
3. Visitors are more than welcome. Their participation is vital and much appreciated. They ARE missing out on some cool perks, but that's ok. Not everyone likes winning door prizes. The stuff just takes up valuable shop space anyway.
If you ever change your mind, we'd love to see you move into Letterville. There's still time to get your name in the hat for tonights' Letterville Merchant's Draw. Grab your favorite credit card and give Barb a call at 519-787-2673. If you're still not sold and need more info, checkout our Resident's Page to learn more.
4. We spend too much time sweating the small stuff around here. I'd like to see the same energy invested in in topics like this, shown to others asking questions and/or seeking help.
A popular topic like this is a great place to remind you all to visit our new Letterville Merchant's Forum everytime you visit the BB. We need to get a snappy new icon you can click on.
Letterville Merchant's are being contacted and strongly urged to use this Forum to offer information and specials to Letterville users. I've never been able to understand why Merchants invest so much in big "sign shows", but ignore the thousands of shop owners that frequent Letterville daily. Go figure.
To make all of this work, we have to convince all of you that there is much more to Letterville than the BullBoard. A good start is watching The Merchant's Forum daily. We also ask that you continue to tell your suppliers about Letterville and the very real opportunity they have to put a face on their business here.
So there you go. Now you know what a Resident is and why thet are needed. You've also learned we are a legit fulltime business with no need for tin cans or donations. If you are loaded and want to will your entire estate to Letterville, that's a whole other issue.
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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