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Light nylon baby socks. Fill and tie in a knot. Whalaa! Pounce bag.
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I'll bet there are several reading this that are not familiar with pouncing. There's more to it than just hiding behind a bush and jumping on the first person that passes. This is a perfect opportunity to use a topic to completely document the entire pounce process. Any volunteers? We'll help out with the photo posting.
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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I'll give it a go Steve! No laughing now. I am painting flames of a tribalish sort on my lawn tractor. Why? Because I can!
Ok, first I peeled off the stickers next I used a Stabilo to draw on the design and tweeked it in till I was happy with the layout.
Next I took some vellum paper and laid it over the design. Once positioned correctly I traced the design onto the vellum.
With the design now transferred onto the vellum I proceeded to pounce it with a pounce wheel (cheep little wheel with a handle and little pokey thingys on it that makes small holes in the paper)
After completing the pounce I then sanded the back of the paper with 240 grit sandpaper (opens up the holes bigger).
Now, all I have to do is wet sand the tractor sides and prep. them to paint. Once prep'ed, I will use my pounce pattern to relay out the design using baby powder in a pounce bag. Patting the pounce bag, full of powder, onto the paper, with the gabillon holes in it, to leave little white dots on the side of the tractor, which now becomes my guide for laying down the fine line tape which will in turn become my tribalish flames on the side of the tractor.
<taking deep breath> Now, I will repeat the whole process of pouncing by flipping the paper around and pouncing the mirrored design onto the other side of the tractor. Repeat tape masking and whaa laa matching flames on both sides.
Ok ok, if I was good I wouldn't need a pattern to follow for the tape but hay, I gotta start somewhere. Shoot some paint, wetsand a bit, apply some clear coat (maybe with a bit of pearl) and tribalish flames of sort on my tractor. If it all works out and looks good in the end then who knows maybe the car will be next!
Week how to, I know but I's just a begginer here
Jeff
-------------------- Jeff Umsted Posts: 35 | From: home. Lapeer, Mi. | Registered: Mar 2004
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Used to use thin socks, now I use doubled up 50/50 t-shirt pieces. I make a long thick handle, the full length of my grip by wrapping the unfilled end with Duct tape, then for neatness sake I keep them (one with graphite powder one with baby powder- black and white) in a small box. Works for me, and I am also going to say voila, because I can spell it, too, (except for the accent on the a.)
-------------------- Myra A. Grozinger Signs Limited Winston-Salem, NC
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My pounce bag is a small wooden box with a hole in the top and has a plastic lid. the bottom is a fabric material and its called a Hansee Pounce machine.
A very high tech device that works quite well. It even operates when there is no power. Mine has become an antique though over the past twenty years since the invention of the computer.
-------------------- Bob Stephens Skywatch Signs Zephyrhills, FL
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The white talc powder one is a bit of an old singlet. The charcoal one was a cotton baby sock once. Both get very little use. Then I got a Hansee one like Bob mentioned & keep blue builder's chalk in it. It has a terry-towelling like fabric,with a wooden box around it. I think it cost $12,(including spare 'bags') but back in those days, that was a LOT of money! It was (is) a good item, but it was inclined to let too much chalk through, and you ended up with a blue face & a fair bit of sneezing if pouncing over your head on a rough wall or billboard, or you'd run out of chalk halfway through the job. It seemed to work better for me as a "hit once rather gently and wipe" pad than a "pounce pad" !
(I think that scenario was the origin of the expression "getting the blues" or "feeling blue" after you get covered in chalk, 15 feet up in the air, and there's suddenly none left in the pad, plenty on your sweaty face, and ten miles or more back to the shop to get some more chalk) For that reason, I always carry a bottle of chalk powder in the kit, even on a vinyl installation so that things average out ok!
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"...there are no limits when you aim for perfection..." Jonathan Livingston Seagull Posts: 7014 | From: Highgrove via Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia | Registered: Dec 2002
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Oh, a warning for those attempting glass gilding by sizing the glass & laying the gold on,and then pouncing the design on the back to guide the painting of the drop-black/backing enamel:
make sure you use sandpaper to flat down the pounced pattern holes before you pounce it on, or you'll find lots of tiny scratched holes in the gild, just after you've painted over them!
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"...there are no limits when you aim for perfection..." Jonathan Livingston Seagull Posts: 7014 | From: Highgrove via Toowoomba, Queensland, Australia | Registered: Dec 2002
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I've used t-shirt material didn't bother to note material percentages,baby socks again what material? don't know.I want to buy one of those that Bob has. I believe Lazer Lines has some.
As for usage , I've used a pounce pattern for everything from buildings;brick,lap board,corrigated etc; to flames,truck lettering,even to drill holes that match up with the sign .
Again a pounce pattern is a lettering or design perfected on paper, that is then perforated(punched with tiny holes)via pounce wheel,electro pounce,vinyl cutter with capabilities, or heck in a jam I guess you can pop one hole at a time with a needle.Oh yeah the perforating is done right on all the lines or shape of the design.
This design is then sanded as mentioned previuosly.Now you place the paper with design wherever you want, lightly pat over the whole design with your trusty baby sock pounce bag or whatever you use.The color powder you use depends on how visible it will show up on your object to be lettered.Next check to see that the whole design went through, it can be a pain trying to reposition it if you forget to make you some kind of registration marks.Now just remove the pattern and your ready to paint,cut,tape out,drill or whatever else you can think of to use this old sign painters trick.For all you beginners,ever wondered how THEY lettered the truck exactly the same on both sides?This is how the relics did it before computers.I have a vinyl cutter now, but I still use my miniature pizza cutter and powder filled baby sock for some one of a kind script lettering on trucks. OUT!
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I had a couple of pounce bags made up of socks and I thought they worked weel. Then I bought a Hansee pounce pad from Lazerline last January. I keep it in the ziplock bag it came in to give protection to the powder. It is much cleaner and easer to use than homemade bags. I still keep the socks for use
""Good judgment comes from experience; and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" - Will Rogers Posts: 3485 | From: Beautiful Newaygo, Michigan | Registered: Mar 2003
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Like Myra, I use T-Shirt material...about 10" square or circle...lay flat on table...place several cotton balls in the center.
Pour Charcoal Powder or Baby Powder, depending on what color you need, over the cotton balls.....I have seen some Sign Painters that mix the two together and only need one pounce bag.
Smush, is that a word?...the stuff together to disperse tha powder into the cotton balls, then gather the T-Shirt material around the cotton balls to bake a ball...making it fairly tight, then wrap heavy string around several times and tie to secure it.
Cut off the unneeded portion of the top. leaving enough for a convenient handle.
Some people use Blue or Red Carpenters Chalk, but I find those too messy for my own taste.
-------------------- Rove Gratz Gratz Signs 342 Walden Station Drive Macon, GA 31216 rovegratz@aol.com Home Page: http://rove-342.tripod.com Posts: 861 | From: Macon, GA 31216 | Registered: Jan 2004
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I use the Hansee ones for the same reason as Santo.
Powder charcoal for dark pounce and what I think was called rotten-stone(?) for light.
Some of you older than me veterans help me out here. I used to get this stuff at an old art supply store near me and the owner was somewhat stingy with the amount she would let go of...told me it was very hard to come by. When she later sold out I was able to get the whole box from her...It works better than any other white powder I had tried...funny I remember worrying about what I would do when this ran out. Based on how much pouncing I've done in the last 4-5 years what I have left will last my life time.
Jeff
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Man, this is a tough crowd! I didn't know spelling counted on this test!
-------------------- Jane Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, Il. 61764 815-844-7024 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 4102 | From: Pontiac, IL USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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An old sock is great...throw in a few cotton balls and some white chalk or black graphite powder, tie it off with a gumband, and you're good to go. I have a Han-See but I just don't care for it. Love....Jill PS Save a shoebox on your dryer for the other half of the pair that it ate. Instant pounce bags.
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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I like using material from an old, really worn out flannel shirt. They take a little "priming" to get going but seem to put out just enough. I don't like the carpenters cahlk either and use baby powder or charcoal. We only ponce small patterns for striping these days so I just keep the two of them in a small can. A good tip if you are doing large signs, walls or whatever is to place the pounce bag in a large zip loc bag with the end with the powder by the opening, grab the "handle", open the bag, pounce away, close the bag when done, and VOILA...no messy hands
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-------------------- George Perkins Millington,TN. goatwell@bigriver.net
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Yep, I'm of the old T-shirt school. Use blue carpenters chalk..yer rite,it's messy...white blackboard chalk that I grind in an old coffee grinder,don't use black at all. probably make a pounce pattern at least 4 or 5 times a month. used to keep them all in the old days when I did truck fleets etc. but have now broken that habit, as of about two months ago when i found i had three huge boxes of 'em and no idea why! MUR
-------------------- Murray MacDonald OldTime Signs 529 Third Ave S Kenora, ON. P9N 1Y3 oldtimesigns@gokenora.com Posts: 781 | From: Kenora, ON | Registered: Jan 2003
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Charcoal, blue chalk, and baby powder in T-Shirt or baby blanket. If you're up on a scaffold or ladder, don't EVER ask a helper to "toss" you a pounce bag! It comes flying at you like a Roddick serve. Guaranteed. Pooof.
Here's a tip: Use the white pounce to powder the edges of your duct tape roll when you first unwrap it. Keeps it from picking up all the cat's hair and scraps from your table (or floor).
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Mine is an old sock and it was given to me by Mark Casey. I assume it was well washed and that he doesn't have one cold foot now!! It worked for me. (Perhaps I have a latent foot fetish ) Barb
-------------------- Barbara Murrell 4 Elements (Global)Ltd Ware Herts England barbara@4elementsglobal.com Posts: 87 | From: England | Registered: May 2003
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I used to make all my pounce bags out of old T'shirt material.
But as the charcoal grades have become more and more coarse over the years and (greyer rather than black)I have resorted to making them out of "red" shop rags...they are just the right size and if you double them up they seldom wear thru.
I've tried the Hansees and never been happy with using them(don't really know why) I guess I just like the "flop...flop" of an old rag.
I still make my talc bags out of t'shirt material.
Oh... and I'm old enough to remember when every journeyman had 3 "Bull Durham" sack,pounce bags in their kits one with charcoal one with chalk and one with powdered red rouge.
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I'm with Monte here,...for large walls and large stuff the hansee boxes just didn't get it for me,...besides one of the old guys on the wall crew used to make his out of Crown Royal whiskey bags,and swore by them,...the draw string was great for hanging the pounce bags off of the stage. On another note I keep two or three small pounce bags in plastic baggies in my kit,...red/blue/white,...can't seem to ever remember to order charcoal,.... For gold work I use whiting or kaolin,...
-------------------- fly low...timi/NC is, Tim Barrow Barrow Art Signs Winston-Salem,NC Posts: 2224 | From: Winston-Salem,NC,USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I just want to say thank you to all the heads that replied. I made my own bag out of an old blanket and a piece of string! Just checking to see if that was the norm or if there really is a norm around here
Thanks again!
Jeff
-------------------- Jeff Umsted Posts: 35 | From: home. Lapeer, Mi. | Registered: Mar 2004
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Steve, did any one actually describe the elusive pounce wheel as looking much like a very miniature version of a pizza cutter? And that it is indeed elusive since they are known to completely disappear when most needed??
I noticed one person illustrating it as being a "cheap little wheel with a handle and pokey things sticking out of it".
Someone could get all kinds of mental pics with that . . . LOL
I also sometimes just wear an old cloth glove and shoot the powder right on the palm of the glove and just sort'a throw it up there and pat & rub it around, HAHHAHAA...
For exciting diversions . . .DO NOTHING NORMAL.
Also, have great fun with this reply when people come in the shop and look closer and closer at a pounce pattern and ask how in the world you got all them even, little-bitty holes . . . . say, "YEH ... you people think this job is SO easy, but it takes FOREVER to go around those letters with that straight pin!!"
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My dad always had a thin men's dress sock filled with the blue chalk.
Also, used lady's good quality stockings to strain his One-shot paint. He ALWAYS strained the paint before using it, not just the first time but every time.
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