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I am going to letter an enamel receptive banner tomorrow night... and want it to DRY. In the past, using oneshot, some colours took way to long to dry, forget which ones, tho!
Anybody have a proven ? way around this?? I do have some clear fibroseal, now does that help or hinder drying??
Thanks for any help, ps, i usually thin with Darbys reducer.
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do you have any Naz-Dar vinyl inks? stuff dries almost as fast as you can put it down. guess you wouldn't need that enamel-receptive coating either... not sure if having it would be a bad thing though
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Hi John, I've had the nightmare of the banner that just won't dry here too, -If its pvc I use a screen ink(over here Apollo or sericol) It drys fast and lasts well.( can do blends too) (Or try a bit of DEKA - if you've got any left!)
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I don't remember the chemistry of how misting ammonia, or was it hydrogen peroxide, into the air over the banner causes something to happen making the enamel dry. Kent Smith knows all this stuff and it makes sense to him. Call Kent if he doesn't respond here.
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There's always Japan Drier. Sherwin-Williams carries it. Also, VM&P Naptha is a quicker drying solvent than turps based. I noticed that the new 1-Shot Lettering enamel contains Xylene, so I assume that Xylol is now an acceptable solvent in small quantities? I would imagine a little "hotter" mix and a better bite. Any ideas there?
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I have a basement shop and getting painted banners to dry has been, at times, interesting. They do seem to dry much faster if I use hardner in the 1-shot so that's my usual appoach now. I have had the most problem with red drying, I believe, John.
Never tried the vinyl inks Doug. I've only done very little screen printing and have never had an occasion to get vinyl inks. Do they dry flat?
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Over the years, i've used them all...stinky vinyl ink, multipurpose screen ink, magic one, Deka(gone, save for a few colours).I'll try some hardner in the oshot,I had forgot about that!
Well, it's 6am here, light rain, off soon to the TV series i'm on, signwriter to the Stars!! ha ha . It's the L Word. Just finished lots of 1920's Paris street scene...meaning lots of period signs, in French, of course!!
John Lennig / SignRider
PS...HAPPY SEPTEMBER FIRST!! summer is coming!
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I hate that, your have a rush job and order an enamel receptive banner only to find your banner people kinda forgot the enamel receptive part. So ya call them up on it and some sickenly pleasent voice says "Well, the work order says its enamel receptive!"
'Uh huh', I think 'Do I even try to talk to this person of dubious parental lineage?' Previous experience has shown me they'll stick to this line 'o crap, meanwhile it's been 3 days now and the damn thing is still occupying space in my shop I need for another job and an irate customer on the phone, again! At least I'll have a good record of all the bug traffic in my place!
So I just order my banners plain-jane anymore and pin them to the wall, after a quicky wipe down with alcohol or laquer thinner, I'll roll on a coat of Ti-Cote, a Chromatic Product still available here in Denver through Denco Sales, throw a fan on it & it'll dry within an hour or so.
I have heard that one can wipe a still wet banner with Future floor wax that'll dry right over the paint and make the banner handlable enough to get it installed, never tried that one though.
I won't letter with vinyl inks, never have, the stuff is just too toxic & nasty to spend much time floppin it about a foot or so in front of my face, besides the wear and tear on my precious lettering brushes, let the competition kill their brain cells I say. If the job is that much a rush, use the sticker type vinyl.
1. Go to your paint store and buy a quart of white, black, red, blue and yellow latex acrylic enamel paint.
2. Also buy some red, blue, yellow and black universal tint colors.
3. wipe down the banner with Rapid Prep, alcohol or your favorite cleaner.
4. Add a little tint color to your latex paint, and letter to your heart's content.
I used this method on a large banner that was up on a building for 9 years and sill looked good when they moved, I admit it was facing North. BUT... did a cartoon in the spare tire cover that is on a friends motorhome, after 8 years, the vinyl is starting to crack and show age, but the 'toon still looks good!
Werks fer me!
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Those banners I have gotten from the Dixie meets never gave me a problem drying. I forgot the name of them but they were pre made. I don't do vinyl and never had a problem (thank God) with drying unless the paint was very old or not stirred. But that's just me AND the Florida sun will dry anything.
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