posted July 06, 2004 03:38 PM
I've been asked to do a couple of large banners (66'x4'). Can somebody give me an idea of how long it would take to letter something like this or what the easiest way of lettering them would be? I think I'll be using a mesh type banner with painted lettering, and I'll do some experimentation with paints and durability. It needs to last 1 year. I'm contemplating masking the lettering (45 characters/1 line = 20 different letters) and spraying with 1-Shot. I'm not sure until I get the material whether I can do them two sided or not, but I will if at all possible. It will depend on how much ghosting I get on the reverse of the banner. Is there some way of minimizing this? Anyway, any insight into how you'd go about manufacturing & pricing this would be greatly appreciated.
[ July 06, 2004, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: Kelly Thorson ]
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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posted July 06, 2004 04:04 PM
Hiya Kelly, It's a long banner! Single or double sided? How's it being mounted and where - on a wall, between 2 posts? If it's single sided and mounted to a wall, it sounds like a knock out job that can be completed in 8 hours or less, perhaps, over many days. It really depends on the drying time and the lenght of your shop. If you could avoid it, I would stay away from mesh because it can get messy with the bleed-through. I would suggest enamel receptive banner material or using screen inks. Of course, you can always outsource it to someone with a solvent printer and avoid all the logistical headaches. Put your mark up on it and be done. A shoot from the hip price would be around $1500-$2000 outsourcing it, plus shipping and handling.
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posted July 06, 2004 04:24 PM
Thanks for the quick reply Checkers. The reason I thought I would go for mesh was because of our gale force winds that seem to be a daily occurance. I'm definitely not a fan of the holes they cut in banners to lessen the strain on them. I realize with mesh that I can't paint them by brush without making a real mess on the back, but I thought spraying might work OK. I could also spray screenprinting inks and I have access to an old curling rink that would work fine for spraying it in. Would misting cardboard with spray adhesive and sticking the banner to it prevent the ghosting on the back? Edit - The banner/s will hang over the Main Street in a town to advertise their homecoming.
[ July 06, 2004, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Kelly Thorson ]
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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posted July 06, 2004 09:59 PM
Here in Ontario I would get about $8 sq.ft. totals out to $2112 each plus shipping and taxes. Try to contact "Algoma Banners in Ontario" They carry a block out banner material in the 15 oz white. They can also guide you for the fastening part of the banner (rope, latches, guy wire?)depending on the method used or preferred by installer.
posted July 06, 2004 10:23 PM
Kelly- I did a couple of 48" fifty footers a few years ago and I had a fairly small work area. I hung several dowels from the ceiling at one end of my work tables. I painted about 8 feet at a time, and looped the wet part of the banner over and between the dowels as I worked. It worked fine, and goes much easier if you have a helper- if you take it in sections it wont seem nearly as large!
Large banners need steel cables with snap rings to stay put. I dunno about that one year thing- seems like a long time for an outdoor banner anywhere. Good luck!
[ July 06, 2004, 10:29 PM: Message edited by: Jay Nichols ]
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posted July 06, 2004 10:40 PM
Neat idea with the dowels Jay, can you elaborate a little more on the following?
quote:Large banners need steel cables with snap rings to stay put.
I'm actually having the banners manufactured so they will make them to my specs. Our initial thoughts were to go with the mesh banner with a 2 inch reinforced pocket across the top and bottom. I am thinking a pocket would be stronger than grommets, not? I actually have no knowledge of hanging huge banners so if anyone can direct me to some info on them I'd sure appreciate it. The place that is making the banner is so far my best source of info.
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Kelly Thorson Kel-T-Grafix 801 Main St. Holdfast, SK S0G 2H0 ktg@sasktel.net Posts: 5496 | From: Penzance, Saskatchewan | Registered: May 2002
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posted July 07, 2004 12:00 AM
12 months is a long time for a banner that big to survive without being hung on a wall or somewhere the wind won't get to it.
I would run a 3/16" or 1/4" airline cable (guywire) between buildings, or some real heavy light poles. Install turn buckles so you can adjust the cable. (Here the city would require a engineer to approve the method used to attach)Use lots of grommets in a webbing reinforced hem, and small chain repair links to attach it to the cable. I am not sure how you would do it with pockets, just remember the weight and windload are tremendous even on mesh. You may need to cut wind pockets on whatever substrate you end up with.
Sounds like fun to me Good Luck!
Mike
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posted July 07, 2004 01:19 AM
Hi Kelly. If you have access to back issues of SignCraft, there's a very informative article on hanging large banners. The article is in Issue # 60 of September/October 1991, and was authored by Kerry Kruger.
The article has some excellent tips and also lists some pitfalls to be aware of when installing any banner. If you can't locate that issue, let me know and I'll scan it & send it to you via e-mail.
Hope this will help.
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