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Sure you can. . . . .but the driers are different and will setup a little quicker. John
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One more thing to think about, If you ever want to do a window gild, you will want clear size because you will be looking at the gold through the size when you are done..
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I usually use Gelatin too, for burnished gold and oil size when I am doing matte centres in a letter or a 2-tone glid or to burnish a pattern/engine turn.
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This was a glass sign I made for the shop I used to work for. It started out as a factory mirror. We sandblasted away the parts we wanted to chip or paint and stripped off the backing paint and silver for the parts we wanted to water gild or have clear. This takes a bit of planning to get everthing done in the right sequence for what you want to do.
The lettering in the banner was oil sized and engine turned. The main lettering was chipped and water/gelatin gilded. You can see a bit of the border that was gilded with aluminum leaf and oil size. The image is a digital print behind the glass.
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...A second gild with oil size could be known as a "matt" gild.... Right? I do it all the time for "two tone" letters (in reverse on glass).
...I tint oil size for glass work using transparent colors. One shot makes several, and the art stors has tubes of oil paint in "Prussion Blue'. "Tinting black" works too, and so does asphultum.
.... Unless it's for a very small area, I air - brush it on, otherwise there will be visable brush strokes. ...not good.
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Novice question here, but why would you tint size? I am now leraning the art of guilding, and I have my first sign to do this week. Darryl, that window looks awesome. If you pro's have any advice I would appreciate it. Thanks is advance.
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Devin, if you tint the size with imitation gold or something similar, the holidays (small empty spots) aren't as noticable...especially when you are laying the gold on a dark color. It can save you from having to lay an entire second layer just to cover a very minor spec.
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Tinting your size also lets you see how much you are putting on. You need very little paint to tint the size. You will have a very even colour when the size is applied evenly. There will be darker spots when you have a thick deposit of size or lighter where thin.
Ya learn something new every day. For matte centers, I've always used varnish, or clear, prior to my water gilds. I would have never guessed you could engine turn a second surface gild from behind.
Now I'm dying to give it a try.
The shop schedule says I can experiment sometime in october, but I'm gonna sneak in some time prior to that!
Thanks for sharing.
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Darryl, WOW!! Engine turn on glass ! Now thats gotta be worth a go, Great Job.Thanks for sharing. Any more great pics ? How about a show and tell in the portfolio!!)
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There are times when I want the tinted size to be revealed through breaks in an imperfect gild. When doing stuff that I want to look antiquie, I oftem add some American Vermillion to the size instead of chrome yellow or immitation gold. The chrome yellow is a tougher pigment and brighter under the gold also.
How much pigment is added differs according to the surface you're sizing. I would,nt doctor the entire can in advance.
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Good work, Mr. Gomes, Beautiful, actually . .
Been engine turning or "Jeweling" as you would, gold and aluminum on glass for about 20 years. Also other patterns as well. It'll work with gelatin size also, the size just has to be a little"Fat" but not quite as well as with synthetic size (a little better'n Oil Size).
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