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It is apparent that a number of folks question my ethics, motives and opinions.
From here on out anyone with questions regarding use of my products can visit my site; www.rapidtac.com or e-mail me at roger@rapidtac.com or mail@rapidtac.com or you may dial 800-350-7751.
FREE product samples are avail. by e-mailing or calling (be sure to include your street address) we don't keep, use, or sell your name or address, other then to get samples to you !
There are far too many here that have "hidden agenda" for me to put up with, I have better things to do with my time.
See Ya Roger
-------------------- Roger Bailey Rapid Tac Incorporated 186 Combs Dr. Merlin Oregon 97532 Posts: 3020 | From: Merlin Oregon | Registered: Dec 1998
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Of all the hidden fees, confiscatory taxes, and the myriad of other ways we are constantly and consistently ripped off, it amazes me the zeal on both sides of this debate on your product's effectiveness. What is the big deal here?
I have not participated in these discussions because it seems so trivial. I keep one of each in my shop and truck: Rapid Prep, Tac, and Remover. Remover works great, Prep seems like it does it job as does the Rapid Tac. Now do others work as well? Maybe. It just doesn't seem to be a major source of my daily concerns since the investment is so trivial.
I take a larger gamble with some of the substrates I have used along with the so called 5 year vinyls. Rarely are these people taken to task. Probably because they are much less vocal about their products.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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Seems to me this site is for people who need advice and help in the sign/vinyl business. Since I have been on this site I have learned how to use Rapid products in a more affective manner, and they have saved me time and $$$. So whats the problem? If anyone out there has a product that will help us in any way "I want to know about it", and how others use it. Such is the case with Rapid products. Roger your advise on how to wet apply graphics to vehicles saved me a trip back to the shop for masking tape the other day. When I was lettering dumpsters in the customers yard. I would have usually taped and hinged it, but i forgot tape. I did have a full bottle of RapidTac, and used the advise on here, saved me a 45 minute drive. Thank you very much
-------------------- Mike Milos PrintSation Banner D-Signs & Graphics 489 S. 13th Ave Brighton, CO 80601 303-726-6513 Posts: 50 | From: Denver, CO | Registered: Jun 2004
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Roger, the products you promote work well. You know it, I know it and most folks who have used them know it.
Don't bang your head against a brick wall trying to convert those who prefer dishwater!!!
(And I still do most of my apps dry!!!! had to say it!!!!)
I buy your stuff by the gallon and have, on several occasions, sold a part gallon to customers who couldn't believe how easy they make adhesive removal/surface prep and sometimes application.
Keep hangin around Roger..who else am I gonna razz???????
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
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Stick around, Roger. Letterville is a better place with you in it! Love...Jill
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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I have used Rapid Schtuff for years. Some may say you are a little over-zealous in your promotion of your product. First, screw 'em. Second, if they promoted their businesses 1/2 as zealously (is that a word?) as you, they either wouldn't be so jealous of your success or would be happy with their own success and not concentrate on seeing how big of an ass they can be.
And third: I looked the other day at the merchant page. 43 merchants. I could name 12 before I went to the merchant page. It would be really nice to see more merchants get involved AT ALL in this board.
As for the few here who seem to be trying their hardest with each post (and not just those aimed at you) to earn the "asshole of the millenium award", don't let them get you down. If you leave, they win.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Roger. there is always one or two who SNIPE those on the TOP of their game.
You are on top of your game and thus you are gettin sniped at. Let the snipers fire away because most others know that you have a good product, operate the in the generous mode and back up your products.
I will use and support your stuff no matter what the soap and water engineers say. All it took was one install job to see that what you offer is good. All it took was one rapid remover job to see that wasting time concocting witches brews was stupid.
Your successful products are well documented. So please, do not let the very few with their hidden agenda get you down. Your marketing plan is hard to beat. Offering to take the first risk by sendign out FREE samples speaks volumes for your products.
-------------------- Leaper of Tall buildings.. If you find my posts divisive or otherwise snarky please ignore them. If you do not know how then PM me about it and I will demonstrate. Posts: 5274 | From: Im a nowhere man | Registered: Jul 2001
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I had never heard of your products before coming to this board & reading your excellant posts- how else am I supposed to learn if people such as yourself tell me what's what? I'd sincerley hope you would continue to post!
-------------------- Catharine C. Kennedy CCK Graphics 1511 Route 28 Chatham Center, NY 12184 cck1620@taconic.net "Look at me, Look at me, Look at me now! I't's fun to have fun, But you have to know how!" Posts: 2173 | From: downtown Chatham Center, NY | Registered: Feb 2004
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There are people in the sign business.Then there are people in the business of making signs!
Wannabies that are in it for the money,who seem to ALWAYS complain about price of materials.
Professionals that use the BEST products for the job,that in turn pass the cost onto the customer.
Whinners and complainers,as oppossed to ethical. Advise is ONLY good when used.
Your postings are read(and used)by more that just the few seen here. As the professional that you are,to close that valuable information door,will do more harm than good to the many that are here to learn!
hope this helps
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Roger, you got called to the mat for the manner in which you were promoting your product; which was at the expense of other manufacturers. Nobody, including me, ever criticized you for promoting your product line, UNTIL such time that you started to suggest to people that they disregard the directions of other manufacturers (who are no better, nor worse than yourself), all for the sake of pushing Rapid Products.
So you got caught at the game. When the masses were on your side, and it was I who was being crucified here, you were all to eager to jump right in and throw some stones. Now that the dust has settled, and a few people are seeing what was truly happening here, and they're calling you out for it, you're running away with your tail between your legs.
You build quality products. You should promote them as such.
I'm being forced off of the websight. I don't have any choice. I would have remained here if I could have.
You should do what's right for you, and only you know what that is. If I were you, I'd stop pushing the products on people for what they shouldn't be doing with it, and get back to basics, and selling it as a fine application fluid, for people who buy application fluid.
If people post a question about Rapid products, answer it. If you see a legitimate opportunity to promote a realistic application for your stuff...have at it. Just put away the carnival barker's uniform.
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If every time I boasted of the merrit of my signs, I provided an array of free samples, I'd be on a level of confidance that Roger walks with. I applaude him.
-------------------- The SignShop Mendocino, California
Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. — Charles Mingus Posts: 6724 | From: Mendocino, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Brian...I love you too man. I would hate to see you go. Jill
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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Brian, you aint the only one that feels that way, and I'm glad you have the backbone to speak your mind.
As I have said repeatedly, it's not the products I have a problem with, it's the saleman and his methods. If other people confuse the two and want to make it a personal thing with me, that's their problem. I say bring it on- I've been in this business nearly as long as anyone on this board and I dont plan to leave anytime soon.
Anyone capable of rational thought should be able to see this thread for exactly what it is. How about a nice group hug? Roger's not going anywhere and all of you know it. Besides, he couldn't leave if he wanted to, his ego wont fit through the door.
My only agenda is the TRUTH. If someone lays a steaming pile of bullsh*t on the table, I'm not gonna say pass me a brownie...
-------------------- Jay Nichols ALPHABET SOUP
~the large print giveth and the small print taketh away~ Posts: 176 | From: SW Florida | Registered: Mar 2002
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OK Roger, you wanna take the gloves off? Here we go.
In regards to your first "untruth" we'll call it here, you did indeed tell people to ignore the installation directions included with both SignGold products, as well as a generic disregard for the dry application instructions that come with every brand of reflective vinyl I know of.
Even you can't deny, that you've said to "apply Signgold with RT products, and disregard the edge-sealing process"...anyone who can read, which seems to make up a fair share, but not all of the people that have gotten involved with these threads, can verify that. Then you described some non-descript product as being one that would "delaminate with or without the use of RT products"
Now on to the second part of the issue you're once again skirting.
In the edge-sealing process, a line, or bead of clear, (4005 is the recommended product) is drawn or painted around the perimeter of the letter, number or graphic. You're only carrying this clear up onto the tedlar by about 1/16" of an inch. The purpose here, is for the edge sealer to permiate the cut line, where the layers of tedlar, gold and adhesive are exposed. The clear edge-sealer is, while sticking to the sealed-to-surface, and the edge of the graphic, sticking to itself primarily on that small overlap area.
There is no spin to put on it. It's acting much like morter, which sticks to itself.
I'm not full of myself, I'm speaking the truth. The same truth that many, including you, fail to recognize or at least accept.
In addition to my having the responsability to try to make sure SignGold products are used and installed properly, I'm speaking from 25 years of experience in both the sign and paint trades.
What experience are you speaking from Roger? You've repeatedly failed to answer people's legitimate inquiries.
Let me know when you want to discuss the massive quantities of low flash-point ingredients you're loading up your products with. Maybe we can chew the fat about some test results that came from an old Stoney Point, NY associate of yours. Hey, maybe we can even bring up why I can't find any recommendation from most major vinyl manufacturers to endorse the use of your products.
You don't wanna get into a p*ss*ng contest with me Roger. My ass has already been kicked out of here as of July 9th, so I have nothing to lose here.
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Y'know... I'm big on wearing ball caps.... I have a beautiful Signgold hat that I'm now embarassed to wear. I just got Roger's awesome RapidTac hat in the mail and I thank him for it but I'm not sure I want to wear it with all the b.s. that's transpired lately. I hate to be seen in either of those hats by other sign professionals that I know lurk on this board and be associated as siding with one or the other!!!
How about a little professionalism befitting both your wonderful companies. Are your mothers proud of your behaviour?!?!? Sometimes ya just gotta agree to disagree and live and let live!!!!
-------------------- Happy Signing...... Marty
M.F. (Marty) Happy Signmaker Since 1974 Happy Ad Sign & Design Regina SK, Canada S4N 5K4 306-789-9567 happyad@sasktel.net www.happyad.ca
Get Happy & Get Noticed! Posts: 773 | From: Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada | Registered: Jan 1999
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I'm just defending the product I'm paid to defend.
If ya don't dig what's being said here, change the channel.
If you're embarrased to wear a SignGold hat because of my actions, I'm sorry. Pass it along to someone who'll use it I guess. I'm just amazed at the number of people who think I'm wrong to call out Roger and his b*llsh*t tactics here.
I just wish all the people emailing me and calling me in support, would post to support me here, but I understand people not wanting to take sides publicly.
Roger...let's just call it a draw, OK?
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quote: You don't wanna get into a p*ss*ng contest with me Roger. My ass has already been kicked out of here as of July 9th, so I have nothing to lose here.
I disagree with that statement Brian... I think you do have a lot to lose.
FYI quite a few things do stick to tedlar including urethane enamels (painting tedlar )
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Enough is enough. By now all readers know all they need to about Rapid Tac and SignGold. Almost everyone agrees they
are both fine products. There's always going to be a few who won't use nothing but traditional goldleaf, and some that will
use their own homemade application fluids. You just can't win them all.
It's time to agree to disagree. The last thing I want to see is 2 perfectly good products, and possibly Letterville, thrown out with the dirty water. Nobody is going to win this war of words. Even if you do manage to get in the last hit, you risk losing in the long run. After all that has gone on over the last couple weeks, I've learned a bit about banging heads myself. Some people enjoy conflict, but I find it stressful and unnecessary.
I do need to once again clarify Brian's position in Letterville after July 9. He's fully aware of it, but seems determined to distort the facts. Brian is not being kicked out of Letterville July 9th. Every year we renogosiate a new contract with our Merchants. In some cases, the Merchants themselves cancel the contract. It's just business. You guys do the same with your customers everyday.
Letterville has done business with SignGold going back several years and at least 2 other representatives. SignGold has always been a wonderful Merchant. They have a great product and I hope we can get back together sometime in the future.
Brian and I have had a series of issues since Day One. We're both stubborn and determined to get our own way. Dispite many attempts, we just can't seem to get along. It's stress I don't need at this time in my life. Something had to change. As owner of Letterville, I decided to not renew our contract with SignGold as long as I had to deal with Brian.
I contacted SignGold directly. They don't read the BB, but are firmly behind Brian. I would have expected no less, and was impressed with their confidence in him. We agreed to cancel the contract and see what things look like down the road. End of story.
Now Brian is also a Letterhead. He has valuable information to share both here on the BB and Chat. He is more than welcome to continue to participate as a Letterhead. He can even become a Resident and take advantage of all the perks that come with Resident status.
We're trusting him to keep his word and not attempt to play both sides of the fence. I'm also trusting all our users to remember that we sell advertising to help keep this site growing. It may not seem like a big deal, but everytime you promote or place a link to a non Merchant you are depriving the website of much needed revenue. To us, that is no different than copying and trading fonts and clipart, a practise we strongly oppose. We allow some free plugs from time to time, but don't appreciate being taken advantage of.
I'll be more than happy to answer any questions via email. Imagine if you had to conduct all your private business dealings live on stage with an audience rooting for their perspective team. The Internert has changed many things but personal business should still be something discussed between the 2 business owners in private. Something to think about.
Now let's stop this crap and try to put more effort into answering the posts of those that need your help. Isn't that what this is really all about?
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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