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yes, thats 60' x 120' I got quotes for the 13 oz. blank to be in 3 pieces 20' x 160' with 3/4" grommets every 6 feet. each third will be 288 lbs.
The Hula Bowl (allstar college football game) is played here in Maui, & this banner would cover the bleachers in an endzone area that is not used for seating. The Hula Bowl want's to pitch the idea of this banner being lettered with a sponsors name, but wants to be able to re-use it, & possibly change the sponsor in the following year. I had been thinking of using paint, but now that seems to not be the best choice.
I can bid the blank easily enough, but my big question is how to give them a price to help them pitch the deal to potential sponsors, when I don't know what sponsor logo I will have to do. They gave me an example of SONY as a sponsor. Maybe I will just pretend it is SONY, & I can use that as an reference point for determining material & labor costs to apply vinyl lettering. The banner will be tied down to the bleachers & the grommets will be acurately spaced for alignment with each other & I think several ropes can tie down to the bleachers from these midpoint grommets as well as the ones on the perimeter.
I think I'd have to find a clean tennis court or somthing flat to help me with the vinyl applicattion.
Not sure what other questions to ask, but has anyone had some experiences to offer me assistence on this bid?
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Looks like my source for digital printing would charge $25,225 plus shipping....that might not be the way to go....
you could always have a letterheads meet and use that as a project, then your cost and production time would be greatly reduced.
Another Idea would be use 2 banners... or a banner and a sheet. Cover the bleachers with either a blank banner or other cloth material, then place large banner in the middle of the blocked out area, at least then you don't haveto figure out how to pounce the logo in the middle of a fricking huge banner.
just a thought
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Chat with Mike Milos he is a contributor here and a nice guy, believe the name of his business is PrintStation his phone # is 303-726-6513 he prints some BIG stuff worth a call
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Thanks Dan, he actually sent an email to which I just now replied. I think the clients intention on having nothing but one huge logo on this banner that may need to change next year will rule out printing though.
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The one thing that came in mind (I'm on my first coffee tho) Is What about the glue residue ??? The vinyl will be quite hard to un letter and probability of scrapping the banner in the process is great ... even at 3.25 sq ft it does come out to alot of $$$
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Hi Doug- this is a different scale, but I've just done two 60 ft x 3.5 ft banners- at least we have the 60'in common! Handling them wasinteresting as the shed is 20' wide. I screwed screws into the back board and from a scale drawing, pencilled the letters on, doing 12' at a time. I could have projected it, but it didn't take long. Then I put our truck outside the shed and tied it to that, strung up along some tent poles in the gaps, then back through the shed, then around a corner and out the other side of the shed. I hand painted it without moving it. When it was finished, I shifted it to the back wall of our house, screwed it up, and started on the other one. I did the date in the centre in vinyl. All up I suppose we used 250 mls of black & reflex blue paint.
Scaling up the logo would be my suggestion, but handling the banner is the difficulty- you'd need to rig up some frame under a gantry I'd say,or find a big wall!
If you quote on the word "Sony", the actual word given requested will be "Supercalifragilisticexpealidocious"! Good luck!
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Yes, the adhesive residue is a consideration. I have had good luck with high performance vinyl releasing quite well though. I will make a not to discuss this with the client. If the lettering is removed directly after the event in will be the easiest. He could even take that fact into his sponsorship renewal pitch, so the sponsor would be informed of the financial consequences of not deciding to renew for the following year right away.
Ian, that banner up the drive from trucks bumper, in one end of the shop & out the other makes it sound quite interesting.
If I bid "Sony" it would be spelled out that "if the sponsor is Sony... then price is this... if similar, then price wopuld be determined, but most likely similar. No comitted prices without full knowledge of the job specs.
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Doug, call Britten Banners! They specialize in "huge" banners at race tracks and sporting events. I was working at ChicagoLand Speedway in Joliet, IL, and the covered two buildings with a banner! I had an estimate from them to do a 70' x 400' banner to cover a roof of a building and it was about $2.50 per Sq. Ft.
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You should inform the client that their sponsorship cost should reflect the value of the advertising, not the price of the banner.
If a large corporation is going to be the title sponsor of a college all star event, they're prepared to spend HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars, maybe it's even in the millions... who knows.
The price of a banner at this point is pretty moot.
That doesn't help you determine a price for the banner but some of the folks here are better informed about jobs that large.
Printing the banner may still be the way to go. Even if they cant re-use the banner, getting a whole new one HAS to be cheaper than the labor to clean off the old one and re-apply lettering.
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Hey Doug, keep in mind of how this banner is to be transpoted around as well. The weight of it being folded over etc., can cause some creases/tunneling or whatever. The big money part just sounds like big money to us. You might want to base logo cost on a "more difficult" scale as to cover yourself no matter what they throw at you. The less you have to move the material around the better,....I would paint,...hey it's a wall job laying flat! Keep us posted.
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Also Doug, when you get the banner from Britten, the artwork you desire is printed on the banner. All you do is unwrap it!!!!
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I'd try to talk them out of the reusable part of the job spec. By the time they move this and store it they could replace it every year.
I'd have a billboard printer (using a NUR or Vutek) print it on mesh. It would cost around $2-$3 per square foot and would weigh far less than vinyl, simplifying the transport and installation significantly.
Any idea what a 60' x 200' vinyl banner would weigh?
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you mentioned that the banner would consist of 20' x 120' sections. . .
Is it possible that the thing could be layed out in such a way as to have the change-able part be the bottom third or two-thirds of the thing??
I'm asking if they will be connected together via some sort of hooks & grommets arrangement or permanetly sewn together?
Anyway, the following year you would only have to change out one or two sections of the thing instead of having to repaint or remove vinyl....
and you could wind up with one heck of a tarp for the shop too . . . lol
Or, why would'nt you roll it and paint it and re-paint it each year??
At the same time I kind'a agree that with such a big spender they could just get a new one each year . . . but still, if the thing is still in great shape at the end of the season, I see no reason why you could'nt block it out and re-letter it via rollers or sprayers . . . .
LOL, a few gallons of paint won't add TOO much more weight . . .
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tons of great ideas here. Thanks for all the replies. Several useful insights to help me tomorrow when I meet with the client.
13oz material would weigh 288 lbs. for each 20' x 120' section. It would not be folded. The 3 sections would not be sewn together, but joined on-site where accurately spaced grommets would coincide. If SONY was the sponsor for example... their logo completely fits on the center third. I will make it very clear that larger, or more complex artwork will cost more. I will also address the cost of graphics removal (& storage)vs. a complete replacement banner. The "all you do is unwrap it' idea sounds good to me Somehow I knew Tony would have some experience on this job. I will call Britten Banners tomorrow. (I used to visit a friend of mine in prison in Joliet Il.)
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Hey Doug, it wasn't the Blues Brothers was it? Keep us informed on how a large project works out. It may help one of us out at some point!
Good luck!
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yep good ol "Joliet Jake" & brother Elwood Blues
Tony, good call on Britten Banners... they actually did Hula Bowl signage a few years back. I'll keep everyone posted. (They offer banners with full color printing at $1.75 per sq. ft. complete)
Elaine, the banner will be on the bleachers noted on your map as sections F,G,H,I, & J there will be no seating in those sections.
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After getting pricing on the material, we have figured we could do the complete jop for $1.50 / sq. ft. Since our machine uses latex paint instead of ink, we would be able to over coat the banner and use it at least 2 times (or after the event you could cut the material down and use it for alot of smaller jobs as well.)
I am sure that since Britten Has a proven reputation they will do a fine job.
I do hope to be involved in a project like this soon, so we can show some of what we can do.
Mike
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don't rule yourself out yet Mike. I realize not everyone has a reputation in the beginning.
Besides, although a savings of 25 cents a foot doesn't always sound like a lot... but on 7200 ft project, that does add up. What material did you use for that quote? What size panels?
we could make 3 panels 20 x 120 right now I am setup to print 18' x 60', but with little modification we can go 20 wide (It would be alot easier if we could make 3 18' x 120 panels). To get the 120 in one shot we can just do 2 runs on the same section.
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Forget trying to reuse the banners. I redid some for an awning company a number of years back. They were for Chevrolet and used at state fairs. Some of the original vinyl failed and they wanted them stripped and painted. They were only 40 footers but the mess from the residue was incredible. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT try to reuse a banner this big. And you thought the van wrap was a b**ch
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Somehow I knew Tony would have some experience on this job. I will call Britten Banners tomorrow. (I used to visit a friend of mine in prison in Joliet Il.)
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