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In talking to some fellow heads recently, I have learned that some of us are getting random rude emails from disgruntled fellow Heads. As some of you might know, I received a very sexually disgusting email before my PJ Jam. Both Barb and I tried to trace its source, and the bogus address given was that of another Head whom I know would never send such a thing. This same person has been sending derogatory emails to one of my friends berating his character. THIS IS NOT HIGH SCHOOL. Letterheads is supposed to be a free-wheeling, fun-loving, learning & sharing movement. Letterville is supposed to be the same way. Just today, while talking on the phone to another Head, she received an extremely rude message from an ex-resident. Apparently an unknown person from Letterville is forwarding posts to her. This is disturbing and disheartening behavior. I wish that there could be some way of embarrassing these childish, churlish individuals. Love...Jill
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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Jill they embarrase themselves with every breath they take! The sad part is they are still breathing lol.
life is too short to let those individuals rent space in your head, None of us are perfect individuals and some people need to focus on others to make themselves feel good about who they are.
We've all done that to some degree but not to the extreme your talking about.
like my tag line says
" Some People's Kids"
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-------------------- Bob Rochon Creative Signworks Millbury, MA 508-865-7330
"Life is Like an Echo, what you put out, comes back to you." Posts: 5149 | From: Millbury, Mass. U.S. | Registered: Nov 1998
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My nasty email was a one-time occurrence. The verbiage was that of someone who knew Letterheads. I mean, I kid around about sexy things, but this was downright inappropriate and scary. When I found out yesterday that this same dirtbag was emailing a fellow Head and using the same email address it really bugged me. Especially because he or she is also using the name of another Head, as if to get them into trouble. Too creepy and too infantile. love...Jill
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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hey you can track the email start if you call internet service .............if you have in the email..the name ..hotmail sympatico videotron or other its bad receve email if this can disturb good luck for track c-ya
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Hi Jill, Ya know, if I got a rude E-mail from a Letterhead or anybody else I know. I would call them on the phone about it. Or if they were local, I would print out the page, go to their shop/house and ask them. "Wjat's this all about?".I'm a "Deal Direct" kinda of person. Plus being a Latina, I love a good fight.
-------------------- Signs by Alicia Jennings (Mudflap Girl) Tacoma, WA Since 1987 Have Lipstick, will travel. Posts: 3814 | From: Tacoma, WA. U.S.A. | Registered: Dec 1999
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Jill, I was getting it too. But mine were calling me an American Nazi. This person had read my post about my son-in-law coming home from Iraq. Barb also had tried tracking it but couldn't.
-------------------- Laura Butler Vision Graphics & Sign 4479 Welch Rd Attica, Mi 48412 Posts: 2855 | From: Attica, Mi, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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We've been aware of this problem for years. It has nothing to do with Letterheads or Letterville. There are angry, frustrated people in every society and community that get satisfaction from stirring the pot, ctitizing, threatening, and trying to hurt or embaress others. Many suffer from undiagnosed emotional or mental problems.
Knowing all this dosen't make it any easier to deal with these people. Most Letterheads are sensitive caring people to start with. It's not hard to understand the hurt and anger those, including ourselves, feel when we get these letters. So what's the answer?
There's a normal motivation to want revenge. Some will e-mail back and start a war of words that only excites the original sender. Using this BB to vent your frustration isn't the answer either. It usually only adds gas to the fire and generates copy cat type behavior by those that just want to argue and destroy instead of build. Sometimes they actually manage to bring decent people down to their level. Either way they win! In their twisted minds, that's what they need.
My suggestion is to refuse to play the game. Ignore them. I'm certain there are methods to block unwanted mail in most mail programs. Learn to use them.
If the letters continue and contain threats, there are laws being broken. Don't be afraid to contact your ISP, the sender's ISP, and/or law enforcement agencies. We've had to use this method in the past. You may have to push them, but there are laws against this sort of thing. In our case, a call to the offending party and the threat of losing their system and anoniminity ended the problem.
One final thought. This might be a good opportunity for all of us to do a "checkup from the neck up." Sometimes I see answers to questions posted here in Letterville that are less than helpful. Sarcasm and unproductive critism really has no place in Letterville.
BTW....it's Steve posting under Barb's name. All whackos need to send their me instead of Barb. Just kidding.....I hope.
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-------------------- Barb Shortreed 144 Hill St. E. Fergus, Ontario Posts: 2376 | From: Fergus, Ont. | Registered: Sep 2000
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If you view the full headers on the message, you can find out exactly where that email is coming from regardless of what email address is listed.
Look for the "Message-ID" line, it will have a string of numbers and letters followed with an "@" and their ISP's domain name. This message ID can be tracked right down to a specific user by the ISP.
Let's say the ISP is jillbeans.net just for example. Take that email you received and click on the "forward" button. Type in the email address "abuse@jillbeans.net" (most ISP's use the "abuse" name for complaints against users), type in a quick note why you are forwarding the message, and send that email on its merry way. If the ISP is any good, they'll close the account down.
Then if you really want to stir up the pot, contact the local sheriff/police/detective where the ISP resides, forward the email, the ISP's information, and the message header to them. See if they will help you out. It takes a little detective work but you can track anyone down. I've had to do exactly this in the past when some people try pulling fast ones.
-------------------- "If I share all my wisdom I won't have any left for myself."
Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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Mike Pipes...so if you do a copy of the numbers or digits in the section of "message id" then do a reply and paste those numbers or digits you can tell these people to stop sending all these damn spam emails?
-------------------- aka:Cisco the "Traveling Millennium Sign Artist" http://www.franciscovargas.com Fresno, CA 93703 559 252-0935 "to live life, is to love life, a sign of no life, is a sign of no love"...Cisco 12'98 Posts: 3576 | From: Fresno, Ca, the great USA | Registered: Dec 1998
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No, the actual name of the email address is there.
this is a header
Received: from mxxxx7.cluster1.charter.com ([1x.2x.2xx.2xx]) by mtao01.charter.com with ESMTP id 192810.EWRK17350.XXXX.charter.net@xxx7.cluster1.charter.net> for (anything after this word "for" is the real sender) <pakxXX@charter.com>;
Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:28:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost) by mxsf27.cluster1.charter.net (8.1x.xx/8.xx.1x) id i57xxxxxxx6; Mon, 7
As you can see
the pakxXX@charter.com is the real sender..
The x's are hiding the real numbers..
u can turn on display of header in most all email readers.
-------------------- Leaper of Tall buildings.. If you find my posts divisive or otherwise snarky please ignore them. If you do not know how then PM me about it and I will demonstrate. Posts: 5274 | From: Im a nowhere man | Registered: Jul 2001
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Cisco, nope the Message-ID is strictly for the ISP's logs. That is the number an ISP uses to track down exactly where the message originated, and the domain attached to that message ID can actually be different than the email address listed in the header AND the servers the email bounces through while enroute to its destination.
Using the Message-ID, an ISP (and only an ISP) can locate the user account that the offender uses to connect to the internet. This is completely unrelated to the email address!
Example: my email addresses are always listed as "xx@stickerpimp.com".. I use my stickerpimp.com mail server to send and receive email (I physically log in to the server to access email) BUT my ISP (the company I use for accessing the internet) is Frontiernet. The headers in my email contain the frontiernet servers since they are used as relays, that's because I'm physically plugged into their system. Now the kicker is, the message ID's that my emails generate have "@citlink.net" at the end, so that server is actually where the email physically originated.
All the information in the headers can be faked, EXCEPT for that Message ID because it is generated automatically by the computers at the ISP - there's no way for anyone to alter them.
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Mike Pipes stickerpimp.com Lake Havasu, AZ mike@stickerpimp.com Posts: 8746 | From: Lake Havasu, AZ USA | Registered: Jun 2000
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That's nothing... I got an email recently from a guys' wife... the guy is very active here and had tried to stir up stuff on one of my posts. His wife emailed me and tried to set me straight with some choice words. If you're going to get in a fight, at least do it yourself.
whatever.
-------------------- -------------------- Dave Cox C2 Media Services (Formerly That Sign Guy) dave@c2mediaservices.com -------------------- Full Color Printing Posts: 295 | From: Sacramento CA | Registered: Jan 2003
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Jill, Even if the email sounds just a little bit threatening, call your local FBI office. The FBI has an entire division devoted to stopping email scams and threats. They be happy to go after a dirtbag or two.
Mark
-------------------- Mark Rogan The Great Barrington Sign Company 2 Stilwell Street, Great Barrington, MA 01230 mark@gbsignco.com
"Sometimes I think my head is so big because it is so full of fonts" Posts: 332 | From: Great Barrington, MA | Registered: Mar 2003
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Funny thing is I got an emails years ago from a certain PITA (minus the P I T) on this board. Everyone whose had the misfortune of meeting him has told me it doesn't sound like him..it sounds like his wife. Why would I not be surprised if it were the same person that emailed you.
Alicia, that's the problem. These spineless pieces of crap who call themselves people use fake email addys, fake names, fake phone numbers, fake addresses.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Some of you guys really crack me up! You get all riled up over certain e-mails, yet the very person(s) that have been known to send them are STILL present on this board! Either you accept this kind of crap....or you DON'T!
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Bob... you're still on this board... why are YOU accepting this crap! OK then.. quit "cracking up" and direct you comments elsewhere. "WE" are no more "on this board" then you, & in no better position then you to "accept this crap" or not.
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24 posts....with "much to do about nothin"....and youve given a life to such drivel....these should be treated like spam OR POLITICAL POSTS.....you see where it comes from, DELETE IT AND IT DIES!!!! now next time youre face to face with that person...THEN WOULD BE THE TIME TO SAY SOMETHING!!
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-------------------- joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-637-1519 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND Posts: 11582 | From: pensacola, fl. usa | Registered: Nov 1998
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But, OP, how can you say something to someone who is using a false name? Let me reiterate that this only has happened to me ONCE. What is troubling me is that this same imposter is now verbally abusing one of my friends, while pretending to be someone else. The person whose company name is being used as part of the email address would be quite shocked. In my opinion, they are also a victim. Love...Jill
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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I remember the one Jill got. It was extremely creepy, to say the least.
The one she was referring to yesterday.....yeah, that person may still be on this board, but she isn't allow to post anymore. She still lurks here, like a troll under a bridge, unable to stand it that she misses us far more than any of us miss her. Just laugh at the obvious serious chemical inbalance at work, feel sad for her kids, and set it up to auto forward to the necessary parties and auto-delete.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Doug I DONT accept this crap, thats a big reason I'm NOT on this board much, other than being retired. The one's I'm referring to are the ones who SEND the perverted emails out to others and are STILL permitted to BE HERE AT ALL (you know who you are)!
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Using monitor tools builtin to the BB, we are able to see who is on, and what they are reading at any given time.
It's a real shame, but these controversial type posts get far more attention than all the wonderful posts asking for help and/or offering information. Call it human nature, but Letterheads love a good crash scene as much as the rest of society.
Most of the current problems are the direct result of 2 people. There is a third using the e-mail name Bert Everly, an obvious attempt to discredit or ridicule Robert Beverly. A cheap shot at best from where I sit and the facts as I understand them. We're 95% certain of Bert's true idenity. It's only a matter of time before he or she is exposed. In any case, this is not what the current post is all about.
Let's talk about the two people and the email that sparked this whole post. I'm not going to name names here and I expect the same from each of you. Many know the two involved, and the public feud that resulted in both being banned from posting here in Letterville. After a year, several dicussions, and a personal guarantee his anger management problems were in the past, I made a decision to bring him back. I realize I made a mistake and the ban is back in effect.
Keeping the peace in a busy town like Letterville is not always a pleasant job. We have more than our share of individuals that march to different drummer. Myself included. That's probally a comman trait shared by artistic people, but it's not going to become an excuse for bad behavior here on this BB.
Barb and I have had a very special opportunity to attend a multitude of live meets these last 5-6 years. In the process, several here in Letterville have opened their hearts and homes to us. I'm an eternal optimist and try to see only the good and potential each of you possess. It's not easy to silence people you consider a friends. But a true friend, interested in Letterville and us, would not put us in these situations.
Letterville has very few rules, but we expect you to respect and honour those rules during your visits to Letterville. If this was your home, meet or business, you would demand the same.
Letterville cannot solve your email woes. Some of our users can give you advice that might help, but there is no magic wand or cure that I know of. Life has it's risks. Anytime you make the decision to stick your head up, someone is going to throw a tomato at you.
The fact that you are Letterheads, most of you running your own businesses, indicates to me that you have already made a quality decision to rise above the mediocre. You have learned to catch the tomatos and turn them into ketchup. Don't let anyone or anything distract you from achieving your dream.
-------------------- Steve Shortreed 144 Hill St., E. Fergus, Ontario Canada N1M 1G9 519-787-2673
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Steve..You and Barb do an excellent job of controlling things here in this little "Cyber town". I know that you have "controlled" me in the past and I thank you for it.
NOW..Will ya finally "control" Dan Sawatzky's enthusiasm??? He is just too "UP"..I figger he's on some kinda high!!!!!!!!!
OOOOPS..I forgot..I get that way sometimes too when everything is going GREAT!
Keep up the good work Stevie and BarbieDoll...AND Dan Sawatzky!!!! Yer all good people!!!
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
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I got an email from "Bert" too. It was quite a while ago & it was rudely questioning my views on a post about the movie "passion of the Christ"
I knew it wasn't Robert, & I also suspected it wasn't the same Mth'r Fk'r that often sent his adolescent attempts at toilet humor in the past, because at least that guy had the balls to sign his own name.
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