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I've heard that upwards of 70% of people do NOT believe that we stepped foot on the moon, and that it was a staged event meant to intimidate Russia during the cold war and as a "one-upmanship" ploy to freak out the Soviet Union after they sent the Sputnik into orbit around the earth.
I never really questioned this and remember watching it in black and white on tv as a kid....but then I watched a show debunking the lunar landings as myth where they provided many pieces of evidence which was hard to dispute, along with testimony from ex-NASA officials, as well as a couple of stories about NASA individuals that were closely involved with the "mission" that said we were never on the moon - - and ended up murdered.
You know, the usual conspiracy theorists...but I must say,....after watching the show, listening to the evidence, it really made me wonder...
And why haven't we been back to the moon in so long? Could it be because it's harder to fake it since we no longer have black and white, grainy, blurry tv's to watch?
Seems like in fact it would be easier to fake it today with all the special effects....
I'm kinda on the fence on this...where are you?
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Some of my college professors were involved with processing the film shot by the astronauts. It was the real thing and it took real experts to get good photos from the film brought back from the moon.
Remember, There are still nuts that think the world is flat too.
ernie
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In my "Rocket Scientist" days...I worked on the Moon Shot at North American Rockwell, here in California! As a Materials & Processes Engineer and Chemist, I was involved in the Reentry Heat shield, Steering Motors, Escape Tower, and much of the interior equipment. Belive me...it did go to the Moon!
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Yes, I believe we went to the moon but if anyone's looking to read a good book (fiction) about NASA faking discoveries check out DECEPTION POINT by Dan Brown. He's the guy who wrote The DaVinci Code. I just finished it and it was very intriguing. It's out in paperback and you can get it at Costco for under $5.
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This is a shameless and unabashed plg for God.
Let's hear an "AMEN!" from the back of the room!
I believe that we walked on the moon, Elvis is dead, and I AM going crazy...
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An interesting thing about that moon landing is, that scientists at the time believed, that the moon should have several feet deep of dust on its surface. In fact the, uuhm, the thing they landed in (was it called "Eagle"?) was built accordingly, with large, plate like "feet" and the end of the ladder high above the ground. To everybody's surprise they found only a couple inches of dust. I think it's safe to believe that they would have "staged" that landing according to their expectations.
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That FOX special "debunking" the moon landing was the about the worst piece of crap claiming to be journalism I have ever seen. I only have a high-school science education and I was insulted by the stuff they expected me to believe. Go here to see a scathing point-by-point critique of the show.
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I worked in New smyrna Beach Flordida and in Daytona Beach Florida during them days. I was fortunate to have built parts of equipment that went to the moon. I find it very hard to believe the money spent on Faking a moon shot. And I watched one shot around 4 in the afternoon as it went skyward. Ill never forget it.
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They should've taken the moon rover and used it to "draw" a huge smiley face in the dust (oh no, Wal Mart was here??) so that anyone could look in a telescope and see it. A guy once told me a really high powered telescope can see stuff they left, but hey, you know what they say about everything you hear...
Yeah Todd, I saw a video like that once, had me wonderin' too.
Controversy has allready arrived in this thread, the statements about the expected dust not being there. It has to do with age.
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quote: I find it very hard to believe the money spent on Faking a moon shot.
Why?
Think about it...faking the moon landing would be as profitable as "reality television" is. The government only has the production cost of filming the event, everyone's going to watch it, and when the smoke clears after all the government funding comes in for development, R&D, and the like, they have a pantload of money left to blow on $800 toilet seats, give $100,000 grants to college students who buy a few rubber snakes and let people run them over in Texas in the name of research, $1200 monkey wrenches, and continue to this day to fund some of the most ridiculous research in the world.
I clearly recall, sitting in front of the TV in Gilman, Vermont with the fireplace glowing watching Neil Armstrong set his foot down into the soft soil of the moon. Like most other 8 year old boys back then, astronauts were our heroes and we all dreamed of doing what they did.
The only REAL reason I can imagine to fake the lunar landing was to have everyone in this country believe that John F. Kennedy's goal to reach the moon within the decade had been achieved. Given the general feeling in America after his death, and his quick rise to a neo-martyr figure, I don't think it's too far fetched to imagine.
To a certain degree, in the minds of many back then, he had become the pinnacle of what a president was to be. A modern day King Arthur, with Jackie at his side projecting an image that most every woman admired. The media soon referred to his brief presidency as "Camelot" frequently and still do. He was the first "television" president.
The government was quick to start placing his face on coins and stamps, renaming schools, buildings and streets and saturating his name across this country. Many of his predecessors to this day don't get that kind of recognition.
Legends and heroes don't fail. He said we'd be on the moon within ten years. Fabricated or not, we all watched it and believed we'd done something amazing. Something begun by our "fallen hero".
I don't doubt they went, but if it was a hoax, it sure generated a lot of jobs back then...and even more, national pride.
Times sure have changed. We've become cynical and critical, not only of the here and now, but of the past as well...even the past we remember fondly.
Rapid
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I remember being 7 and Mom making me come to the living room and watch the images of the moon landing flicker across the screen of the old Zenith. I believed it was real then and I still do. How cool is it that some of us Heads were a part of that momentous event? Love...Jill
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talking about research grants... I remember hearing that the US spent many thousands of $ inventing a pen/biro that would write in zero gravity, so astronauts could write things down.
The Russians just used pencils instead...
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My best friend went on to college at the University Of Chicago back in those days, and his prof. brought in a selection of moon rocks for study and from what he told me, him and his fellow students got to help run some tests on these.
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You cannot use a telescope to see artifacts on the moon from earth. The Hubble telescope has an astonishing resolving power of 0.1 arc-seconds (one-tenth of one-sixtieth of one-sixtieth of one degree). But that means if it was pointed at the earth, it could discern objects only if they were bigger than about 6 inches (under perfect conditions) That's why stories about spy satellites reading licence plates are just stories.
The moon is about 1,000 times farther away from the Hubble Space Telescope than the Earth is. That means that if you pointed the Hubble at the moon, it would have 150-meter resolution. At that resolution, a football stadium occupies maybe one or two pixels of the image. That means that there would be no way to discern the Lunar Excursion Module or any of the other equipment left on the moon. It is just too small to pick up, even with the world's best telescope.
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My father was a geophysicist and he worked with Gene Shoemaker on the curriculum for training astronauts in geology. I recall various lunar studies around the house when I was young.
One of the most moving things for me was watching on live TV as the astronauts read from the first chapter of Genesis while Apollo 8 orbited the moon on December 24, 1968.
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What.. They Read From the Bible on a Publically Funded Project. Ohhhhh Noooo (In a Billy Crystal Voice) This whole Moon Landing thing must be srtricken from the records
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I went to da moon a lot in them days and believe me, its real. Didn't use a rocket.........
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i believe in one person making a statement and 57 others jumping on them, debunking, rebunking,rehashing, and dissecting it all. there will always be nay-sayers, and fanatics. but just for fun.... i hope it never stops. people are opinionated, never boring, and often as full of s**t as christmas turkeys!!viva la difference!!!fiddles.fyi... elvis is alive and captured in velvet at jillbeans house.
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Huge metal machines flying through the sky at three times the speed of sound, with people in 'em? You're pullin' my leg.
Movies, music and voices traveling across the airwaves? At the speed of light? from hundreds of miles away to a tiny box in your car? That's absurd
You mean to tell me that you can send pictures, sounds, information over a teeny weeny wire to places thousands of miles away ...at the speed of light?? From a box on your office desk? C'mon
What did you say, using electrons? Wassat?
Destroy a whole city with a single weapon that flies to its target by itself? Computers? Robots? By splitting an atom? What's an atom? Ever seen one?
Making exact copies of animals, plants and...people? you're lyin'.
They went.
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I remember a movie where the moon landing was all faked in a movie studio. What gave it away was someone noticed the reflection in an astronaut's face shield of the movie studio, cameras and lights.
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LOL...fantastic responses! Hey, I'm not saying we didn't get there, only that after the show I watched, it sure made me question it.
Just because someone hands you a roll of film and says, "here, develop this...it's a roll of film shot on the moon" does not make it real.
Same with anaylizing a "moon rock". Could have been picked out of some guy's back yard. "Here's a moon rock, see what elements it consists of".
Some of the [many]shows notations were:
1.) The camera's lens that the astronauts took pictures with had several + registration marks etched in them for measuring/detailing each shot. This "+" would always appear ON TOP of each photographic image. Well, several shots had portions of the image IN FRONT of parts of the "+" lens etchings while some showed the entire "+" etched registration mark....like someone doctored the photos. Photo manipulation wasn't then what it is today....they didn't have Photoshop with the healing brush then. So, how could this be?
2.) Shadows cast from the lunar module were shown cast at a different direction than an astronaut standing outside it...suggesting multiple light sources.
3.) Photos supposedly taken on different days, in totally opposite directions quite some distance from each other were superimposed and found that the same rocks aligned perfectly from one photo to the other.
4.) A soviet equivelent to the NASA "space authorities" claimed that no-way could man have went to the moon. He claimed that there is a band of extreme radiation beyond the earth's outer atmosphere that would fry a human in a second unless the capsule was constructed of 3 foot thick lead walls. He claimed this is why they never attempted it.
5.) While the so-called footprint was easily embedded in the dust on the moon's surface by a 175 lb man, it was noted and shown in one of the lunar module photos that there was no mini-crater beneath the lunar module's landing jets. If the surface was soft and dusty enough for a man to make a footprint...then why wasn't there an impression made by the force of the landing jets AND a significant depression made by the landing pads?
The theory is that we sent the men up and had them orbit the earth for several days....while the "moon shots" were being photographed and filmed in area 51 in Nevada which has a strikingly similar appearance to the surface shots of the moon. This all done in an attempt to calm US citizens fears of Russian technological dominance with their earlier successful Sputnik orbiter of the earth...AND to make the Russians think we were one up on them in the technology arena.
Why has no other country been there?
These are just a few of many points the show made. Not saying whether they are true or not...but they do make you wonder....
OJ was innocent right? The courts proved he was so it must be so right?
History has been shown to be falsified in the past...Columbus discovering America? In question. The Wright Brothers first flight at Kittyhawk? In question. Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech? Shown now to be plagerized from another preacher's sermon.
It seems like with all the technoligical advances since the old moon landings that we would have come farther than we have with spaceship construction, yet we have experienced many [some fatal] problems with the shuttles as we all know.
Makes for a good conspiracy theory anyway.
OP - not smokin' anything here. I get "high on life" big guy.
Keep em comin.
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Hey Chuck, I bet you are thinking of Capricorn One. An old James Streisand...oh...sorry...James Brolin movie about landing on Mars which turned out to be fake. Uh-oh...brain just kicked in. I think O.J. Simpson was in that too. Great flick anyway but I think I just opened another can of conspiracy worms.
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I just need to say that it makes me LOL to see folks badmouthing the money spent on "space" over the INTERNET using PERSONAL COMPUTERS!
I for one wish that WE would spend so much money on NASA that we couldn't start wars down here.
P.S. the world is round... Like a plate.
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A year or so before the movie came out about Apollo 13, I was talking to a friend about that incident, how gripping it was as NASA struggled to find ways to keep the astronauts alive through each day while they looped them around the moon and back to Earth.
My friend had no recollection of the event, although he was in college at the time. He asked when it happened and I told him April, 1970. He said: “April, 1970... Oh, I was orbiting the moon then, too.”
-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5089 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I have heard that the roomfuls of computers in NASA's control room and on board the module added up to a mere fraction of ONE of today's home pc's. Now THAT'S scary! Especially if Microsoft had anything to do with it...hehehehe.
Even if we did spend all our money on space so we couldn't buy bombs....we'd still be fighting with sticks...and it still wouldn't stop the crazy middle Eastern bunch from finding some rusty knife to cut one of our heads off.
Bombs and technologically superior weapons is the best money spent in my opinion. That is one area where they could RAISE my taxes without me going into convulsions.
We recently shot down a test missle with a long range laser weapon...ya gotta love that, especially since the breakup of the Soviet Bloc and all their unaccounted for nuclear weapons.
Whether we went to the moon or not...ya gotta give credit for the bravery required to strap yourself into a missle and let yourself be shot into space. I can barely climb a ladder onto my roof without my knees shaking.
-------------------- Todd Gill Outside The Lines Potterville, MI Posts: 7792 | From: Potterville, MI | Registered: Dec 2001
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The story has been told of one of the Apollo astronauts being asked what went through his mind as he sat on the launch pad, was he musing on the historic vistas he was opening up, the “giant leap for mankind” about to unveil?
His reply was he kept thinking of the fact that he was sitting on two million pounds of high explosive in a vehicle made of five million parts, every one of which was bought from the lowest bidder.
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I used to be in the Aerial Photography Business in VA. One of our people was one of the designers of the hand held Haselblad Camera they used on the moon.
At the same time I worked at the Pentagon Photo Lab for the Defense Intellegence Agency. Surprising what they could do even back in the 70s. I have a friend to this day don't believe we have ever been in space.
With some people it takes a 2X4.
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~then I saw His face~~~~~~~~~~ now I'm a believer~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I think UFO's landin' on Earth is a hoax . . .LOL, but I wonder if they are all somewhere out there askin' each other if they still believe they landed on the Earth . . .
. . . .ANYWAY . . . can't wait to see some of the others . . .the Man in Mars ...........in Jupiter . . . . . ooooo~~~ cool Saturn . . . . . .
PS! JUST THINK!! Someday, this will not be an OT . . .
~there will be even more serious discussions about adhesion problems . . .lol,
~you will have to float the paint literally and slap the panel against it . . . .
~wonder what kind of special effects moon dust gives??
~We may use the sun on a different level as the mother of all drying booths . . . .
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It's not a subject I give much thought to, especially when I'm trying to figure out where my next meal is coming from. However I was once asked, " Do you say 'the glass is half full' or 'the glass is half empty'?" I replied, "I'm just glad the glass exists."
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If you consider the universe to be endless, it would inherently mean that there are endless amounts of planets capable of supporting life as we know it. If 1 in 1 million of them has intellegent life, there would still be an endless number of them. Of them, if 1 in 1 billion was more advanced in space travel than we are, there would still be millions of them that could travel to the Earth.
All theses big numbers taken into consideraton, and even if you halve them just to be pessimistic, you still are faced with the mathematical truth that there are hundreds of chances that we have been visited by otherworldy life.
What I want to know is... Instead of landing in front of the United Nations building and presenting themselves to us in peace, why do they keep getting spotted buzzing over trailer parks, make crop circles and kidnap guys name Zeke?
Rapid
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