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It has been many years since using red stabilo marker for layout lines. Always very hard to clean off aluminum,etc. Thought I'd give a try again.Same clean off problem, using all types of standard cleaners.The only thing I know of is Lac. thinner. Do not like the effect on aluminum finish,an think it will effect vinyl letters. Red seems to show thru the appl. tape real well, an seems to lay down well on the sign finish. Any Heads out there no of a proven cleaner, or alt. marking layout pencil of color? Thank U...
-------------------- Kent Moss Greg Moss Signs Posts: 363 | From: Wilbraham, MA / Charleston,SC | Registered: Nov 2003
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Monte Jumper turned me on to something you might like to try. It's called a "Sign Pen" and it's made by Pentel. They come in assorted colors and will wipe off most anything with water or app fluid. Beware, some colors will show though vinyl. The ochre one seems to show up "less" in most instances. I order them through a local office supply store a dozen at a time. They come in real handy.
As Monte would say: Werks for me, it'll werk for you.
Hope this helps,
R.T.
-------------------- R.T.Thomas,AirDesigns/Sign And Airbrush Studio rtart1@earthlink.net
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"Ahhhhhh.......Juicy Fruit." Posts: 547 | From: Hattiesburg,MS USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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Kent, I have only used red Stabilo once in my life, and once was enough. Black is just as bad as red. Try Clorox Clean Up (spray it onto an old T-Shirt or dishcloth) and use it to remove the lines. I am seriously considering looking up some charcoal sticks, because nearly every Stabilo color leaves a slight stain (except for white) Good luck. Love...Jill
-------------------- That is like a Mr. Potato Head with all the pieces in the wrong place. -Russ McMullin Posts: 8834 | From: Butler, PA, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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About the only thing I use red for is marking on glass/windows. On any other surface, I prefer to use either blue or white. Those 2 colors seem to wipe off the easiest. But don't let them bake in sunlight. If you do, then you'll need to use something abrasive to clean it off. Sometimes toothpaste is all that's needed. That way you get a fresh minty smelling sign for those times when someone just HAS to stick there nose that close. What did Mike Jackson say? But most times a faint line isn't objectionable. That all depends where the sign goes and what message it conveys. Incidentally when marking on glass, don't paint or apply over marks. That's definitely a no-no.
-------------------- Bill Cosharek Bill Cosharek Signs N.Huntingdon,Pa
bcosharek@juno.com Posts: 703 | From: N.Huntingdon, Pa, USA | Registered: Dec 1999
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Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity. — Charles Mingus Posts: 6712 | From: Mendocino, CA. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I'm real tired of having bkg paint turn chalky, run down the sign, ESPECIALLY where there's a reverse panel, there they are, the white streaks.
So.... I've been pouring OS hardener into my bkg enamel. Man what a finish. (I know someone said paint might not stick too well over it, but I'm not waiting long to letter)
And here's a side effect: it SEEMS LIKE the stabillo lines wipe off easier. Might just be my imagination.
-------------------- James Donahue Donahue Sign Arts 1851 E. Union Valley Rd. Seymour TN. (865) 577-3365 brushman@nxs.net
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for lunch, Benjamin Franklin Posts: 2057 | From: 1033 W. Union Valley Rd. | Registered: Feb 2003
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I found out early on, that the Stabillo brand is terrible for leaving marks behind. I have been using the Staedler Omnichrome brand for the last 10 years with much better results. Only stains a substrate if left on for a week or more it seems.
-------------------- Tim Rieck Signs Halfmoon Bay, BC Posts: 736 | From: Halfmoon Bay, BC, Canada | Registered: Sep 2000
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I use black Stabillos (lightly) all the time on most of my painted surface jobs, and I've found that simple alcohol wipes it right off. I can't say anything about other surfaces.
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Put me with the Bon Ami crowd for clean up. Recently coated surfaces, though feel dry, are harder to remove stabillo lines. Light pressure on the blue and remove soon after. Pentel pens are good too.
-------------------- Wright Signs Wyandotte, Michigan Posts: 2785 | From: Wyandotte, MI USA | Registered: Jan 1999
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Who would want to use a seasonal pencil that only works when weather permits? 1/2 the time you can't even get a real point on the end, Stabillo is another product living on reputation and there are better products out there.
-------------------- HotLines Joey Madden - pinstriping since 1952 'Perfection, its what I look for and what I live for'
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So Joey, what's the better product that you reccommend? I don't use red Stabilos anymore for the reason mentioned. I would try rapid prep or remover to get it off.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
-------------------- a.k.a. Brian Born www.CheckersCustom.com Harrisburg, Pa Work Smart, Play Hard Posts: 3775 | From: Harrisburg, Pa. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 1998
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The lines can be completely removed with mineral spirits. They are almost IMPOSSIBLE to find now. I'm not real sure WHAT the name is because most of the ones I have are so short. They are commonly called "china markers" and I think they might have been made by Stabillo.
I only use them in purple (on lite-coloured backgrounds) and white (dark backgrounds). I used to get 'em at any office supply joint.
I would welcome other types or ideas for where to find these too.
-------------------- Signs Sweet Home Alabama
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"Look like a girl, act like a lady, think like a man, work like a dog" Posts: 5758 | From: "Sweet Home" Alabama | Registered: Mar 2003
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The ones I use the most are green Vis-à-Vis fine point waterbase overhead projector pens made by Sanford. A package of several colors is about five bucks at Office Depot. They wipe off easily with a damp rag.
I like the green the best and did an internet search and bought a couple dozen green ones. Ironically, after searching all over the internet, the mail order house I bought them from was five miles away. They were cheaper mail order than I could pick them up there.
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Since I'm posting right behind Raymond, insert hand lettering joke <HERE>.
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-------------------- David Harding A Sign of Excellence Carrollton, TX Posts: 5084 | From: Carrollton, TX, USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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I'm with both Ray's...China markers work best for me, orange and white. Easily removed with just a little mineral spirits on a rag.
Stabilos do not work well on Florida.. they melt from the heat. I have picked a stabilo up from my box and found a hollow wooden tube, with a red puddle in the tray. Ugh !
-------------------- Jeff Ogden 8727 NE 68 Terr. Gainesville FL, 32609 Posts: 2138 | From: 8827 NE 68 Terr Gainesville Fl 32609 | Registered: Aug 2002
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I'll never forget the time I had a red china marker in my sign kit on a hot summer day. I opened the kit to get out the china marker and there was this little puddle of wax and a hollow pencil body. The marker was totally empty.
-------------------- Frisby Signs, Inc. El Dorado, Arkansas Posts: 902 | From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA | Registered: Apr 1999
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