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I was just wondering the same thing, sort of.
Createx or 1-shot on vinyl, and clear with what??
Sorry I couldn't help with your question.
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I use Frog Juice on digital prints from the spray cans. However, the last two or three I've bought have a spitting problem and makes a real mess. You should do it before weeding and not on the substrate directly. It will be seen as it is very glossy. I've never had luck rolling it as it gets like spider webs.
Hope that helps.
EDIT: I should add that I like the 1-shot UV clear spray cans a lot better but can't find anyone locally who carries it. Sprays a lot better.
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-------------------- Amy Brown Life Skills 101 Private Address Posts: 3502 | From: Lake Helen, FL, USA | Registered: Feb 2001
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Before I experimented with basecoat clearcoat on vinyl, I had this naive thought that I could do some small "prints" on inkjet receptive vinyl and run it through my standard inkjet printer. I knew the inkwould work on the vinyl but I figured I'd try frogjuice to clear over it, and maybe extend the life of the print.
After doing just that, I left the print overnight and them premasked it and applied it to a sample board to set in the sun.
When I pulled the premask off the print there was a mirror image of the print on the adhesive side of the premask. The premask had pulled all the frogjuice off the print and some of the inkjet ink too.It didn't long, by the way, because it rained later that day!! So much for that experiment!!!! LOL
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When I do a fade from one color to another on vinyl I use krylon spraypaint. I clear with either krylon clear or frogjuice clear. After the first coat tacks up a bit I hit it with a second coat of clear to really make it shine. Allow time to dry then CAREFULLY weed. Let sit overnight, apply aplication tape and install.
Do 90% of my faded lettering this way. With a little practice this effect is awesome. BTW I used several diffent vinyls...mostly 3M and Oracal.
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Just Like Dave H. says. Frog Juice & One Shot spray bombs work well over createx too if using an airbrush. So far no troubles using this method on Avery's high test vinyl. Be sure the paint is dry first before clearing to avoid wrinkles.
Oh yeah, hit the vinyl with a scotch brite pad first.
Also do a search on using Nazdar screen inks as another alternative.
-------------------- Alan Ackerson LetterWorks Design and Graphics alan@ack2.com Posts: 776 | From: Oak Ridge, NJ | Registered: Aug 2002
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That's pretty much what I used to do... scotchpad, spray with Krylon, then ONESHOT CLEAR. Sometimes I would hit the vinyl with clear first, then Krylon, then clear again.
By the way... one thing that helped me was to loosely outline the lettering with a stabilo first - makes it easier to know where to spray the Krylon, since you weed it when you're done.
Just make sure you do light coats of everything, or you will meld your cut lines together!
I think someone should have Krylon be a merchant here with all that use it! I honestly think this is a great place to advertise, since SO MANY PEOPLE here do stuff like this... it would be VERY WORTHWHILE for them to at least advertise!
I REALLY APPRECIATE KEVIN being around as much as he is... so USE THE ONESHOT CLEAR!!!!!! I would much rather support those that support this site!
-------------------- Dana Ferry St Cloud, MN Posts: 1556 | From: St Cloud, MN | Registered: May 1999
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My husband came back to the shop Fri and said that he found a store that now carries bigger cans of Krylon. I think he called it Industrial size. If you go to their website, you can buy it by the quart.
-------------------- Laura Butler Vision Graphics & Sign 4479 Welch Rd Attica, Mi 48412 Posts: 2855 | From: Attica, Mi, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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I have done a few things utilizing spray paints and clear coating on vinyl.
The #1 & most important rule of thumb when using paints on the vinyl is to scuff the vinyl with something prior to spray painting. If you dont scuff the vinyl it will eventually peel off the vinyl.
The #2 rule of thumb is to allow the layer of paint to dry completely prior to clear coating. If you dont let the paint dry then the vinyl will begin to crinkle up due to the solvents wanting to escape somewhere.
#3 rule of thumb is to weed the vinyl AFTER you spray the clear coat on it (but before the clear coat dries). If you clear coat the vinyl after you weed it, you will surely have little pieces of clear coat peeling off the vinyl backer when you go to apply the vinyl, and depending on how good the clear coating job is you take a chance at either peeling the clear and or the paint from your vinyl or leaving some chips of clear under the vinyl when its applied causing it to eventually peel from the substrate.
#4 is my personal rule of thumb. The quality of the product I'm using to clear coat. I for one prefer the One Shot spray clear over the Frog Juice. I have used both products. I actually purchased them both the same day from the same vendor in an effort to experiment myself. I found that the One Shot is a little better to work with and experienced difficulties with the Frog Juice.
Also why not support a very large contributor to the letterheads movement (One Shot). What have the Frog Juice people done for the letterhead movement. Oh wait, I can pay money to sit in on a seminar put on by their owner, but I have yet to see them donate any product to the meets that we all attend. You know what meets I mean. The ones that Frank Manning seems to find time to even attend.
-------------------- Harris Kohen K-Man Pinstriping and Graphix Trenton, NJ "Showing the world that even I can strategically place the pigment where its got to go." Posts: 1739 | From: Trenton, NJ, USA | Registered: Jun 2001
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Everyone either loves frog stuff or hates it. I have yet to find anyone in the middle. I personally have never tried it and don't intend to, heard too many bad stories to risk time & $ on it. Especially when I'm tickled with One-Shot UV clear. I use it in a spray can on my thermal prints and it's awesome. Holy gloss! (Even gives ya a bit of a high )
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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My best luck luck so far has been One-Shot clear over painted vinyl and therm prints.I custom airbrush alot using basecoat colors and use them on vinyl. It dries fast and almost melts itself into the vinyl. Great for fast work.I keep pints of standard colors and have access for custom tints.I've used Frog juice in the past but tried One shot and have better results.(yes...the frog cans don't work as well)
-------------------- Dale Flewelling Art Attack Signs & Design Newport, NH Posts: 114 | From: Newport, New Hampshire | Registered: Dec 2001
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Thinning down One Shot Clear will produce F/JUICE I mean a very good clear coat over paint. When using Krylon "FUSION" paint there will be no need to scuff or clear coat. Also 851 Oracal is enamel receptive.
hope this helps
-------------------- PKing is Pat King The Professor of SIGNOLOGY Posts: 3113 | From: Pompano Beach, FL. USA | Registered: Nov 1998
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The first time I ever tried spraying vinyl the transfer mask lifted the paint and of course I freaked-out. . . . to prevent both those events I now use (Dupont's) mid-coat adhesion promoter.
If your just doin' a partial fade . . . .where do you end your scuffin'??? With the ad-promo, no scuffin' required. Paint as usual . . . clear if you want.
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I'm with Pat also. I've gone through a gazillion cans of Krylon colors and clear, never scuffed a vinyl surface (never heard of doing so until now, truthfully), and haven't had a reason to change. The only exception is one certain color of Krylon purple (lavendar?) that doesn't seem to stick well on the most thickly coated areas. Comes off onto the transfer tape, even after clearcoat...
-------------------- Pete Sharkins MotoArts Decals and Signs New Kensington, PA motoarts@yahoo.com * All vinyl, all the time * Posts: 138 | From: New Kensington, PA | Registered: Mar 2004
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A question in the first post- how do you apply it? We use those cheap foam paint brushes and sort of wipe it on.
But, for fades, blends & clear coating on vinyl we prefer "Tautflex" a water based stuff that has tremendous adhesion to plasticy things including vinyl, and the Tautflex UV Clear is great. I Airbrush it all on.
Have also used screen inks, thinned with the proper reducers, like gunwash/lacquer thinners, and airbrushed them, with no clear coat as they 'weld' themselves onto the vinyl.
Frog juice I've found great for indoor use, but I WON'T use it for anything outdoors. Keep a fan blowing while using it- the fumes are great for shortening one's life span otherwise!
Hope this helps.
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