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Just got back from Detroit after having a meeting with Kevin and the others on the committee. First off, Kevin wants me to express his regret on not being able to get back with those that have tried to contact him before this. I will be in charge of communications and will try to get every new detail posted as soon as I know.
We had the meeting at the Masonic Temple where Kevin gave us a tour of the facilities that we will be using. We then sat for lunch and worked on details. We will be meeting again May 8th and every 2-3 weeks after that - until the meet. I will be discussing more later.
Many big names have comfirmed that they are coming as have many vendors. There will be a huge room where easels will be set up along with vendors and their displays. That room will have plenty of room to paint, sit and relax and wander around and talk. There will be a separate room for those that want to do or learn to gold leaf and glass gild.
The Masonic Temple will have someone doing a backdrop presentation. If you don't know, the Masonic Temple also has a theater. The backdrops that will be shown will be those used all the way back to 1928. Today when we were there, THE LION KING was going on and we had to fight crowds in many halls. August is a very slow time for the Temple so it sounds like will will have it much to ourselves...except for a wedding or whatever. We will not be limited to certain rooms. There will be tours guides available.
Across from the entrance to the temple is a small park where the city will be having an open air art show by professional artists.
Some of the panels that are being donated will be custom spray painted with automotive colors...metallics, pearls, marbles, candies, etc. One of the committees daughters has volunteered to do this.
Camping will be available in a parking lot close by. There will be crash rooms where people can bring a blowup mattress or cots and crash for a few hours or even sleep every night. Showers are available close by. Hotels will be available in Detroit along with others within 10-20 minutes that will be available at a cheaper rate. If you need to pinch pennies or just want to share a room, we will also have room signup sheet where you can share a room with other Letterheads.
Mack Brush will be there and I believe someone from the company will be showing how they make brushes.
One Shot is making a very generous donations of supplies, along with others vendors that we don't have a complete list of yet.
We don't know how many murals will be done yet. I know that there are 2 huge pillars the the temple memebers would like something done to them. I had to edit this paragraph because I didn't have complete story on some of the rooms that have gold leaf in them. I just talked with Keniv and he told me that some Masonic memebers will be taking us on tours of the temple and we will be able to see this room with all the gold leaf. Anyway that you look at it, the temple is one beautiful place to see to go and admire the craftsmanship that went into building this building. I will be adding links to the bottom of this post so that you can get glimpses of artwork in the Temple.
Many areas like security, parking and transportation are already taken care of. We may need some of you to donate some signage like Mike Meyers has already done.
Cost for the meet is $189.90. That covers getting into the meet, lunch and dinner buffet meals on Thur, 3 buffet meals on Fri, Breakfast (eggs, ham, juice, etc) and lunch buffet on Sat and then a fancy sitdown, catered meal is planned for Sat. night and then Sun will be a breakfast buffet. As far as signup, we are going to try something a little different in hopes that we might be able to make it a little easier financially on some. Kevin will be getting a signup sheet up on the net. This year you can send all at once or $50 deposit and payments. The $50 will be non-refundable if you can't make it. We are trying to make it a little easier for some of the newbies (or others)that want to attend but don't have that kinda money all at once. Wwe would hope that you could pay off the cost by Aug. 1st but if not, you can pay the remainder at the door.
We will be having Seminars, demonstrations, and much more. Bill Betz and Noel Weber (one of thee orginial 7 letterheads) will be doing Goldleaf seminars. Some others we plan on pulling off are glue chipping, paint, wood varnishes, sub-strates, neon, airbrushing, showcards, layout and design.
If you have any questions, you can email Kevin or myself (laura560@usol.com). I can probably get back with you sooner but may not know your answer right away. We hope to put on a Letterhead meet that people will talk about for years. Detroit has a lot to offer with Detroit Institute of Art close by, casino gambling for those that want to indulge, Eastern Market, and many other cultural food establishments.
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Glad he has some help as we have been worried. Looking forward to more details.
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...Thank you for the update Laura. ...I'm getting excited. (?)
... Is the host Kevin web savvy? And if so, does he read this site? Is he lurking?
...If he's not already here, maybe now would be a good time for him to sign up and "pitch in"... And help drum up some excitement for (his meet) this years "Letterhead INTERNATIONAL".
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Don't count on Kevin getting on the web to drum up excitment. He just doesn't have the time. He has been going day and night for months. Now that we have had our meeting on Sat. and have delegated/volunteered each position that needed to be filled, he can spend more time on making those connections that only Kevin can.
The job of communications cordinator is up to me now. If anyone has any concerns or advice, please send them to me. 810-664-3812 or laura560@usol.com
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-------------------- Laura Butler Vision Graphics & Sign 4479 Welch Rd Attica, Mi 48412 Posts: 2855 | From: Attica, Mi, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Thanks for the update Laura. Sounds like this could be a pretty nice meet. I've been wanting to put this meet on the calender. I'm quite interested so far. It would probably be pretty tough to miss this one.
Looking forward to more information.
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Could you be any more vague? Where are the details, who are the big names, and there's not much time in the greater scheme of things. And what are memebers? And who is Keniv?
-------------------- Brian O'Prey Brian O'Prey, Artist and Designer 5 Old Movilla Road, Newtownards County Down Northern Ireland BT23 8HH Tel. 028 9181 3517 email-brianlionzion@hotmail.com Posts: 91 | From: Newtownards, County Down, Ireland | Registered: Aug 2003
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This is very interesting. Is this the Masonic Temple on, well Temple, between Cass and Second? That is where we had our graduation ceremony from Cass Tech (class of 70). Just accros the park is the High School. The bit about camping is also very interesting, do you mean in Cass Park? If thats true then things have certainly changed lately. I gotta go to this one. I wonder if the commercial art department from the high school would be interested in knowing about it.
-------------------- John and Diana Grenier Up North Studio Les Cheneaux Islands Art Gallery P.O. Box 83 Hessel, MI 49745 906-322-2886 www.lescheneauxislandsartgallery.com Posts: 50 | From: Hessel, MI (Eastern U.P.) | Registered: Apr 2003
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Brian, Sorry to seem so vague. I'll probably have more details later this week. Kevin Betz is the one putting this on. Wild Bill Betz is his dad and also my mentor. Steve Shortreed said he is one of the best goldleafers around.
John, this is the same Masonic Temple...the one on Second and Temple. What did you think of the decor then? Do you remember how beautiful it is? I'll get more info on where the camping will be.
If everyone would tell me what they are waiting to heard about (besides the hotels and camping) I'll try to get answers right away.
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-------------------- Laura Butler Vision Graphics & Sign 4479 Welch Rd Attica, Mi 48412 Posts: 2855 | From: Attica, Mi, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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I don't know what Cass Park was like in the 70's, but the City of Detroit is setting up the "Art in the Park" event to help put on a nice face for Letterheads and spark more interest in the area. Cass Avenue near Wayne State has experienced in incredible turnaround with many of those cool old buildings being renovated and it all started with an "artists' haven" atmosphere. Detroit is full of Art Deco era skyscrapers, warehouses and office buildings. Very cool architecture with detailed interiors.
"Camping" would be in the crash room or the fenced-in asphalt parking lot.
Thanks for the tip about the Cass Tech commercial art department. Charles Strong ran the nationally known Detroit School of Lettering somwhere around here in the 20's.
-------------------- Mark Casey Casey Sign Co., Inc. Berkley, MI Posts: 76 | From: Berkley, MI, USA | Registered: Mar 1999
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Mark, Here is a link of pictures to show everyone the room with the columns that the Masons want to have us do something with. Didn't Kevin say that htis will be the room that we will have our Sat sit down dinner in?
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Is this the same Laura Butler who was complaining last year about how "expensive" the LetterRip meet was at $115 each or $150 for a family?
-------------------- Jane Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, Il. 61764 815-844-7024 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 4102 | From: Pontiac, IL USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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I have promised Kevin some time ago to be there to do a seminar on paints so Judi and I will be there and expect to see many of our best friends there as well. Remember that a meet is a reflection of the attendees as much as anything. Anyone who was in Kansas City in '83 should consider this one, just because.
Jane...as you may know sometimes it takes being involved in hosting to come to grips with the economic realities.
I hope everyone takes a look at the Temple as an incentive to go. We were fortunate enough to have tours of the Temple in Philadelphia a few years ago when the Society of Gilders were there. All Masonic Temples are such a fine example of the extent of the gilder's art that the meet will be worth it for that alone.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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THAT was my point, Kent! It was rather upsetting at the time to have Laura "dismiss" our meet because of the cost!! You do the best you can when hosting a large event. You try to keep the cost down. YOU know that there are a lot of cost involved in a large meet that the average attendee doesn't probably realize until they get involved...building rentals, food & drink, t-shirts are obvious but what about scaffold, tarps, clean up supplies, porta potties, tables & chairs, tents, building all the easles, etc. NOT COUNTING all the hours involved in planning that you aren't producing a living and all the phone calls and trips to prepare for the meet! But to complain about the cost when you have no idea what's involved....I took exception to at the time. I don't think anyone who hosts an event does it to "make money!" We do it for the right reasons. We WANT to do it! I feel great having been part of all the meets we have helped host and definately have a greater appreciation for those who take on the task of hosting a meet!! Just thought I would point out that I didn't appreciate Laura's negative comments last year. That's all. Hope the meet in Detroit is a hugh success!
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Exactly. I thought you would elaborate because the complete story is more important than what appears at first blush to be a singular gripe. Also, Laura is only one of a committee of many.
Anyway, our reason for attending goes back to '83 as many will know but every meet has something worthwhile so I encourage others to consider it.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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Can you please post the details on vendor space. (booth size, are the vendors setting up within the work area, cost, how many heads does that include...)
I assume the hosts have already decided about corporate sponsorship, as the admission price has already been set.
Thank You
Brian Briskie
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Brian, I have a call into Kevin for the answers. If I hear from him tonight, I'll post immediately. Other then that, I don't know when I can post as we have had a death in the family and the funeral is Wed.
-------------------- Laura Butler Vision Graphics & Sign 4479 Welch Rd Attica, Mi 48412 Posts: 2855 | From: Attica, Mi, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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Well maybe someone else from these commitees can respond?? PLEASE! My condolencses on your loss, to be sure.
I have to present my 3rd quarter budget/schedule later this week( it's already late...soley do to waiting on details on this perticular meet), and have been waiting for the answers to these questions since late January. I know you may think that waiting a few more days may not make any difference, but in this case it may.
I don't know if this is progress or not...we've gone from having two meets and a trade show all at the same time (2003), to having a meet that noone seems to know anything about.
If the hosts are uncomfortable coming in here and posting, please call me at 585-415-7496, or email me at SignGoldTech@Yahoo.com
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Here's the guy's e-mail....ESORPNASUS@aol.com
-------------------- Jane Diaz Diaz Sign Art 628 W. Lincoln Ave. Pontiac, Il. 61764 815-844-7024 www.diazsignart.com Posts: 4102 | From: Pontiac, IL USA | Registered: Feb 1999
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At the risk of sounding impatient and frustrated, I still can't get an answer regarding vendor space at the Detroit event via this thread...although this was supposedly the "information pipeline".
At Jane Diaz's suggestion, I emailed the host for information yesterday morning, and still haven't heard back from anyone.
Please, if there are any vendors or merchants here, who have commited to supporting the event or at least buying space, could you please share the details with me. If I don't have paperwork in the hands of the people that I answer to in the next day or two, the decision won't even be mine as to whether or not SignGold can participate at all.
We, SignGold and myself, try to support these events, both large and small. The company is fairly generous and very liberal as to which events I attend, and where I send both working materials and doorprizes; but understandably, they're asking me if this is a "real" event, and are curious as to why noone seems to be able to get me the information I've been requesting since January.
Any information would be helpful please.
Post it here, or call me at 585-415-7496 or email me at SignGoldTech@yahoo.com
Thank You
Brian Briskie
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Brian...Maybe, at the very precise $189.90 cost per person (Kinda sounds like an expensive Wal-Mart special, doesn't it???hehehe) the organisers don't need or want corporate support or involvement Brian????
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
What I don't understand,is that in Laura's initial post, it says they have already had a number of vendor's confirm. Well how did THOSE vendors get information?? Why isn't there an information page available with meet details?
I started emailing and calling this Kevin Betz, back in January. Now perhaps if he had returned at least one of my communications, the admission price might be $154.87, as I could have procured some sponsorship dollars so as to help offset costs.
I emailed him(again), at Jane Diaz's suggestion, on Tuesday morning. Here it is Thursday morning, and the only response I got was from Kent Smith, who says that Kevin is very "anti-computer" and sometimes takes weeks to reply to an email. In my case it's been months. I have indeed left voice messages at the provided phone number as well, to no avail. Sounds like he's just the perfect candidate to organize an event of this magnitude. Or maybe he just doesn't want SignGold as a vendor/sponsor for some reason. If so, please let me know why.
I don't want to hear any more about how beautiful the Masonic Temple is, or about the art show across the street...Just some details on the meet. Stop providing links to the venue, and start providing some regarding the event.
I would assume that if, as a group, we are supposed to work on some columns or something for the Masonic Lodge, that they are in turn providing the Letterheads with free space. So where does $189.90 come into play? Must be we're going to get steak breakfasts and some really high end dinners??!! Either that, or it will be hands-down, the most expensive event T-shirt in my dresser drawer.
The success of these events, is the result of those attending. It's the people that make a meet exciting, educational and memorable. I'll look forward to sharing some meals, knowledge and panels. It's still too bad that last year, we had to choose between two meets, both of which seemed to be very well planned and orchestrated, and this year...well, we'll see what happens.
If anyone is so inclined, I'd still like to have vendor information.
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I've figgered it out....$189.90 Is the "year" the Detroit School of Lettering started..1899, am I correct Laura? I'm with Brian on this, If you are not a Computer person, delegate the computer duties to someone who IS. There are other ways for promoting a meet besides the computer...send a press release to the Magazines, go to some meets BEFORE the actual Meet and put up a banner, have some hand outs ready...get interest building up....etc. In case you are wondering Brian, my vendors spots for my International in 1999 was $500 for a 10' booth and they will be the same for 2005. It will be in an air conditioned community center. I will have this an many more details coming up this fall on a seperate web link for all interested parties, Vendor and Attendees alike.
-------------------- Mike Meyer Sign Painter 189 1st Ave n P.O. Box 3 Mazeppa, Mn 55956
We are not selling, we are staying here in Mazeppa....we cannot re-create what we have here....not in another lifetime! SO Here we are!!!!!!!
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I have really been holding back commenting about this meet.
Way back when, several months ago, when Laura first posted about it, she got some negative feedback. I defended Kevin, saying to give him a chance.
I know it is not my problem, but I worry that this meet will be a total flop. That would be such a shame. Nobody wants to see that happen!
I also checked back to last summer's post in which Laura complained that meet costs can be detrimental to one's desire to attend. This does seem like a lot to pay for something we know almost nothing about.
I looked in SignCraft....the Maritime Meet is listed, as well as the Greek meet and Mike's meet next year. Nothing about the International.
I see Brian's point quite clearly. He HAS to know details. In fact, we all do. Even if someone IS anti-computer, how hard is it to return a simple phone call? That's just common courtesy. I know this meet has a cool 1930's theme, but heck, even back then they had phones.
I know what it is like to be busy planning a meet. But surely Kevin can find a few minutes to address the aforementioned issues.
Love...Jill
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Just talked to Kevin and he will call Brian in the next few minutes and he expects to be on line later this evening and will update here when he is.
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I finally just got the call, and had the opportunity to talk with Kevin Betz. He was in the process of signing contracts with some hotels when I spoke with him. It does sound like he's working his tail off...I just hope he finds some way to communicate with the public.
As it turns out, SignGold wouldn't be allowed to be a vendor OR a sponsor anyways. Kevin explained to me that the theme of this meet is "signpainting in the 1930s" There are no computer, software or vinyl vendors allowed. He told me the only materials and techniques that would be used and practiced were those of the 1930s and earlier. He further explained to me that was the reason that I hadn't recieved vendor information prior to this. So I guess that's that.
I would me remiss, if I didn't say something about all this. And please, non of what I say is any kind of personal jab at Kevin, or any of the commitee members working with him.
Talk about a way to alienate people. He told me that he's already got commitments from "all the best signpainters, stripers and guilders" around today. So if you haven't already heard from him..adjust your attitude..you're not one of the best! I give him credit for feeling as strongly as he does about his meet requirements, but let's call a spade a spade. In the 1930's, most signpainters were mixing their own paints, with white lead, linseed oil, turps and pigments. Then they were crazy, impotent or dead at 60. I'm curious as to whether or not that disqualifies 1Shot, Spraylat, Valspar and HOK. And I'm anxious to see where he hunts up a banner manufacturer that's making banners the way they did 80 years ago. Same goes for MDO, Aluminum faces and so on. Do I feel that he's pigeonholing himself here..absolutley. I told him so, but also told him I admired him for his convictions.
If the idea of coming out of a meet with sensory overload is all you're looking for, then it sounds like he may be able to pull that off. But I enjoy the information sharing aspects of meets..not just on the disciplines of the trade, which are important; but also on ways to increase my bottom line, or better serve my clientel base. So forget about any new 2 part clears from 1Shot, or using a computer-generated mask for glue chipping.
At $189.00 per head, it makes it tough for a couple to attend (that's 378 beans BEFORE ya travel, or pay for some sheets and a shower.) And yes, he mentioned he has the finest caterer in Detroit handling 3 meals a day. But If I want really great meals..I go to really great restaurants. I'd rather have a beef barbeque sandwich, and share some base coat-clear coat techniques with some ambitious 16 year old upstart.
I won't go on, as it's fruitless, but I do have to say, this 4 month ordeal of trying to pry vendor information from someone who just doesn't want SignGold's money, isn't going to make it any easier for me to present sponsorship/vendor proposals to my superiors for future meets.
I do indeed hope, that Kevin's meet is a huge success, which will certainly be beneficial to future meets. Isn't ironic though, that he told me all of this on a cel phone.
Keep on keepin' on.
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Brian, I still love you & Paulette & welcome you two to my shop anytime.
This is starting to sound like an invite-only not an international. I just thought the common courtesy of invite-only meets was that they aren't announced.
I'm not sure alienation is a strong enough word Brian. At Mass Mayhem this weekend, I spoke with some great people who most will agree are some of the best (or "superstars" for those who heard Bruce's presentation) and they weren't even aware there was a meet in Detroit.
See ya in Mazeppa in '05.
-------------------- Chris Welker Wildfire Signs Indiana, Pa Posts: 4254 | From: Indiana, PA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Brian..Thanks for the update. I'm glad you were finally able to be contacted by the "organiser" of the meet.
And thanks for mentioning that they aren't interested in anything that involves puters or "newer" products, even paints (what a way to make "letterheads" an exclusive club). Guess Shirl and I'll save our $379.80 US (about $500 Cdn) to go to a REAL meet in New Brunswick in August.
I am a "real" person who earns his living doing sign work in TODAYS "REAL" market and don't need to be ignored or put down by "elitists" like Kevin Betz. What an attitude!
I use vinyl, I use an airbrush (did they have them in the 30's?) I sandblast glass..but I am not good enuf to qualify??? HELL..I wasn't even born till 1944!!!!
I sincerely hope that the "international meet" is a success. But I have a feeling that it won't be.
This is MY OPINION...and I have had no contact with Brian, Bill or Jane. (wish I had had contact with Jilly though!!!!! LOL)
Am I ****ed at the attitude??? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring on the flames..I don't care.
-------------------- Dave Grundy retired in Chelem,Yucatan,Mexico/Hensall,Ontario,Canada 1-519-262-3651 Canada 011-52-1-999-102-2923 Mexico cell 1-226-785-8957 Canada/Mexico home
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Wow Seriously Thank You For all of the information on this "Meet" Brian, as you have provided more than anyone else has, and this isn't me being sarcastic it is the truth....I was looking forward to making this meet, and that is a trek for this guy (cross country) but after all that has transpired or has FAILED to transpire at this point I am crossing it off my list. What a complete failure to inform and motivate people to attend. And just a side note Brian the Brush you are one of the superstars or whatever they want to call them in my book. Think I just saved myself $189 +airfare+hotel+all the other expenses. For a disorganized, unprofessionally presented meet that could have been a wonderful experience for all...what a shame. that's a expensive T-Shirt...must be one hell of a design
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quote:Some of the panels that are being donated will be custom spray painted with automotive colors...metallics, pearls, marbles, candies, etc. One of the committees daughters has volunteered to do this.
Did they do this in the 1930's? Will any of the project panels be from computer-generated sources? Will there be wooden sign blanks? Sorry if I sound catty but this blows my mind. When I went to my first meet in 1994, folks who had computers were pretty quiet about it. If you did vynull, you didn't admit it. But let's get real. Most of us have computers now, whether we paint or not. Even strict vynullers like Kissy are trying to get into old stuff like glue chipping, and I love to see that. We live in an age where computers make our jobs easier. I think we have the best of both worlds now. To totally reject a group of willing sponsors because their products weren't around back in the day is close-minded at best. To me, the Letterhead movement has always been about learning new techniques and teaching our tricks to one another. It's kind of hard to do that with your head in the sand. Gee, I'm feeling kind of alienated here, and I am a painter. Love...Jill
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DO NOT MAKE YOUR DECISIONS ABOUT THIS MEET BASED ON MY SITUATION!!!!
I tried to emphasize in my post that it sounds like Kevin's working like a dog. We gotta see what he comes up with.
Is he seriously late on getting out information to everyone??
YES
Is what I ranted about earlier MY interpretation of the meet, based on a 15 minute conversation??
YES
Let him get his **** together and tell everyone how things come together. I meant it when I said I hope that Kevin's event is a success. Success breeds success, while failure breeds comtempt. We don't need that.
Shake it easy and keep on keepin' on
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If you are trying to go to the chat page, press the green button at the top right of this page. You will be taken to a chat page and be able to interact with those there.
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I would like to give a up-date for the International 2004 Detroit Meet. I have done my best to include the best for everyone. This has not been an easy task nor do I choose to do this again! As of today, I have contracts and agreements with the City of Detroit and the Masonic Temple also with three hotels to provide an atmosphere full of fun. I am sorry if anyone has cast out upon myself but, I am trying to understand design and layout from my peers.
I am trying not to offend anyone because of the computer but, in my 21 years of Letterhead Meets, I believe education is the future. If the masses believe that the computer be part of the International, than so be it. I no longer know what is expected of a International. After Rick's passing, I felt inclined to establish a home and a place to secure the knowledge of the past. Maybe I have been to worried about providing good expectations that I forgot to inform everyone. My ears are open for suggestions and ideas to make your accommodations a pleasant stay. I look forward to exchanging tips and tricks of the trade with everyone. I will have a list for projects, leaders, events, etc. on Monday morning, May 10th. Sorry for the delay but take a step back in time. Thank you. Krazy Kevin Betz
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Dave: I followed your instructions and all I am getting is a blue background with white lettering which makes no sense to me. What else should I do? Kevin
-------------------- Kevin Betz KB Sign Company 21321 Ulrich Clinton Township, MI 48036 kbsigncompany@att.net Posts: 229 | From: Detroit, MI | Registered: Sep 2003
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This is Judi, not Kent, but written under his name because it is written primarily as the wife of an old time sign painter.
Kevin, Letterheads DO learn from the past, but we live in the present and dream of the future. Computers, just like synthetic brushes, store-bought paints, plastics, hdu, power tools, aluminum, and all the other industry improvements over the last 60 years or so cannot be ignored if you want to be a moving force in THIS day and age. Learning to use old techniques -- and to adapt them to today's materials -- is both desirable AND necessary if we want to create works of art that do their job promoting and identifying in TODAY's market. Actually, the tips and tricks of computer technique are some of the most valuable things Kent and I learn at Letterhead meets.
The individual who refuses to recognize the gifts of the present and the future is as disabled as he who refuses to recognize the gifts of the past. The individual capable of recognizing the benefits of BOTH and incorporating ALL the knowledge available is the true LETTERHEAD. If we put our heads in the sand and ignore either our heritage or our progeny -- we all suffer.
The "best" signpainter hasn't been born yet. The "best" material hasn't been invented. The "best" technique hasn't been conceived. Because, it is the job of each generation to improve upon the last.
NOW -- more to the point. If you are hosting an INTERNATIONAL Letterhead Meet,you cannot REFUSE entry to anyone! (With the possible exception of those who continually crash the party without paying the fees.) If you exclude ANY individual you are hosting a meet ONLY for that segment of the industry that hand letters, an ever shrinking entity as signpainters retire. Perhaps a meet to reminisce ... but which excludes any NEW ideas?
Letterheads is founded upon the worth of EVERY individual, EVERY quality material, EVERY technique and the sharing of ALL knowledge, even that which you find unfamiliar and threatening.
Obviously, MY (as myself, not Kent's wife) product line will not be welcome at the meet, so I will not be a vendor, and you can tell Laura to forget what I said: I will not force a donation of my software on you. But -- I WILL BE THERE. I think it is vital for the Letterhead movement that THIS meet be attended by people who respect both the past AND the future.
-------------------- Kent Smith Smith Sign Studio P.O.Box 2385, Estes Park, CO 80517-2385 kent@smithsignstudio.com Posts: 1025 | From: Estes Park, CO | Registered: Nov 1998
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Sorry Kevin. I must have missed you. After the green button is clicked, there will be a Java applet (a screen asking if you would like to accept...) offered to you, you need to accept this, and wait for the screen to load. You will soon see the chat screen complete with a list of the folks logged in. A text box is at the bottom ready for input and the current conversation will soon be visible.
-------------------- Dave Parr Sign Painter USA Posts: 709 | From: USA | Registered: May 2003
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