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I was watching a documentary last night and learned that Ali and his Dad were sign guys and that's actually how Mr. Clay Sr. put food on the table. Does anyone know any details? I found it very interesting.
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This was on the PBS website...I haven't been able to find anymore details...
Muhammad Ali
(Born January 17, 1942, Louisville, Kentucky, U.S.)
Professional boxer and social activist. Ali was the first fighter to win the world heavyweight championship on three separate occasions; he successfully defended this title 19 times.
Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., grew up in the American South in a time of segregated public facilities. His father, Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr., supported a wife and two sons by painting billboards and signs. His mother, Odessa Grady Clay, worked as a household domestic.
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Hi Kim, thanks! On Google search it said that he was also a muralist and did several churches in Louisville.
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I'm not sure, but it seems as though some infamous criminal's father (Charles Manson?) was also a sign guy.
One of the conspirators in the Lincoln assasination did lettering on railcars (or coaches).
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Thanks Don for pulling this thread out of the creepy zone. Just reporting the facts.
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and Alan Bond, of the Aussie 1983 America's Cup challenge was a signwriter- well sort of: by nmutual consent, he and his employer dissolved his apprenticeship papers- spelling mistakes & quality problems and more. In the end young Alan was relegated to delivering the bills and accounts. He used to go via the pub and open them up and read them, so that when he got out of his employer's charge, he knew how & what to charge for certain jobs. He started out on his own then, underbidding his former boss, using cheaper materials, and the rest is history, made lost of money buying & selling businesses with other people's money, ran several of them broke, losing 1000's of millions and finally ended up in prison. It's all in "The rise & fall of Alan Bond" a book I've just finished- very interesting.
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Another of our infamous brush brothers was Gary Gilmore - just to bring things back into the creep zone - who mercy killed his girlfriend in Utah and was sentenced to the firing squad. When the state reneged he forced their hand and they shot him. 1976? A bicentennial celebration if my memory serves
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Jerry Seinfeld's father was also a signwriter.
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The artist/historian Eric Sloane began as a signpainter. In an interview with SignCraft magazine, he says that as a kid, he lived next door to the great type designer Frederic W Goudy.
Thanks for the post about Muhammed Ali's background in signs. Y'know, back when he was a teenager and still Cassius Clay, I sparred with him, and actually had him scared for about a minute and a half: He thought he'd killed me.
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I read that the truck used on the show Sanford & Son was lettered by Redd Foxx - his real name - can ya guess? Fred Sanford.
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Bruce, it sounds like you beat up his fist real bad with your face.
Makes sense about Eric Sloane, his books are written with a nice caligraphy. Alot of people know about his tool book, but I also enjoyed "A reverence For Wood".
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Cassuis Clay was one of the great boxers.....ever!! Aparently you forget, when called on to serve his country, he joined the Muslums and changed his name to Mohammed, thus turning on his country. From that point on, in MY opinion, he turned into human scum.
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quote:Aparently you forget, when called on to serve his country, he joined the Muslums and changed his name to Mohammed, thus turning on his country. From that point on, in MY opinion, he turned into human scum.
Tony, I'm not trying to be a bitch here but what on earth does that have to do with his dad being a signpainter?
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Steve... As long as you brought up David Mann,..yes, he has done some sign work in the past.(as well as being an illustrator at Roth Studios for a number of years)I got to know David a few years back. He purchased a piece of my panel art at a show, we spent the weekend hanging out and we hit it off. He's still very active, artistically, though not much "bike work" anymore. Paulette and I still stay in touch with he and Jacquie, and they're GREAT people.
Check out www.DavidMannArt.com and see some of Dave's illustration work. He provides artwork to ad agencies and such these days.
Keep on keepin' on.
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