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Bob Rochon
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Ok, i'm done stick a fork in me, I have hit the wall running and I have a nice lump on my head.

I am trying to figure out how to select two paths together and make them BOTH a selection.

Lets say you have a letter D in vector in photshop 7. You want to selct the D to fill it with a color. you select the Direct selection tool, select the D outside shape, then hold shift and select the inside shape of the D. Then you click " load path as a selection" in the paths docker and voila...............only the outside of the D is a selection. [Mad]

I did this once before but cant remember how I did it, I had version 6 then anyway.

what I need is to load the whole D as if it were combined so that when its filled the center is knocked out.

any help or reference would be greatly appreciated. and I thank you in advance.

Steve we really need a head banging emoticon in here lol.

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Bob, I'm probably missing something because I don't fully understand
"a letter D in vector in photshop 7" plus I don't use the "load path as a selection" command because I don't deal with paths much in photoshop... but if I were selecting a D shape & the middle wasn't knocked out, I would use the alt key to subtract part of my selection.

This is probably so far off what you want, because it's so basic, it can't be what you were asking... but maybe my confusion will be worthwhile to help you clarify the question for me.

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I dont use the "load path as selection" in the paths docker.

I use the Direct Selection tool, hold down shift and select the inner and outter paths of the letter, then right-click over the paths. You get a pop-up menu with the options to make the paths into a selection (which works), fill them with a color or pattern, or apply a stroke to them using one of the drawing tools.

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yeah... I kind of hate what they did to using type from PS 6.0 on....

Sounds to me that you are typing your letters directly into Photoshop. My work around to that is to do the layout is Illustrator or Corel.... then when you import things they are already rasterized.

If you're typing in PS.... and want the text to remain editable, you need to select the text you want to change the color of with the text tool and then change the color from the menu above.

If the text doesn't need to be edited... just colorized... you need to have the target type layer highlighted in the layer pallet and the go to the layer menu and scroll to rasterize --> type. Once the type is rasterized you can use the magic wand to select the shapes and color them.

One selecting shortcut I use is to select all (alt + "A") and then while holding the alt key down "bump" the layer down one pixel with the arrow keys and then immediately bump it back up. This will select the shapes on the whole layer.

If you want to turn multiple vector lines (work paths) into a selection... choose your first line, make selection (outside of "D")... choose your second line and when you choose "make selection" a box should pop-up that will allow you to add or subtract from what's already been selected. (subtract the inner part of the "D")

Hope all that rambling helps at least a little [Smile]

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Hi Bob:

Okay; maybe I'm not understanding either. You have a D on a Text layer (not yet rasterized). And you want a selection of the D, including the center knock-out. True?

If so, it's pretty easy. Rasterize the text layer ... or drag the layer to the make new layer icon. That makes a copy, which you can raterize.

Next, marquis select the D (draw a box around it). Then holding the control key, nudge the selection once in opposite directions (up, down, left or right arrow once; and then back).

Of if the D is a single color, magic wand select it. If it's multiple colors, keep magic wand selecting with the shift key held down.

My apologies if I'm not understanding the question.

Regards,

Jim

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Bob, Bob, Bob,
You got us all puzzled! It almost sounds like you are talking about Illustrator and not Photoshop? There is NO direct selection tool in Photoshop that I know of, so that throws me right away.

Anyway, here are my comments.

Suggestion #1. Enter your Text, then click on any letter with the magic wand. It will become selected with marching ants on both edges. No need to rasterize the layer to select a single letter. I am guessing you are just using a D as an example of an easy to understand two part element?

Suggestion #2. IF you created an alpha channel for the outside of the shape and one for the inside of a shape like a D, then load the outside D selection edge first. Then go to Select, >load selection>, and pick the inside path you saved earlier. Using the options, select "subtract from selection". That does it.

Suggestion #3. If you have the whole D selected, then hold down the ALT key and use the magic wand to select the inside shape. That will subtract the counter from the whole D.

Suggestion 2 is probably more what you are talking about since you mentioned loading selections, but all three work, depending on what you are trying to do.

Mike Jackson

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well I thought I discribed my trouble well enough haha. Coming from such a vector background its hard to think the other way.

Ok this is what fixed it...thanks to Jeff Lange he told me to NOT use the direct selection tool but rather the PATH selection tool. After both parts are selected you have 4 icons on the top bar. the one right before the combine button is exclude overlapping shape areas, after you click that hit combine.

I do my layout work in Omega, then import vectors into photshop to color and add effects for edge printing. but thanks for all the different ways to go around this.

I need to learn so much more. lol

[ January 27, 2004, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]

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oh btw Mike the direct selection tool is the white pointer or arrow. [Wink]

thanks
Bob

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Bob Rochon
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Hi Bob,
Yep, I see it. I haven't used the paths in Photoshop much in a long time except to digitize clipping paths or making precision selections.

Take care,

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This is so greek to me oh man talk about learning how to walk all over agian lol. [Smile]

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Bob Rochon
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but it's worth learning, Bob- don't give up. (but get Psp 7 if you can afford it- it's text capabilities are years ahead of those in version 6)
Photoshop's a great program! a good book will help- "Inside Adobe Photoshop 6 Limited Edition" by Bouton, Bouton, Kubicek & Nathanson is a great text if you're unsure about certain functions & capabilities. The "Down & Dirty Tricks" books are helpful too, to whet & tune up the creative juices.

I only wish I were better with it- need more time to 'play' (=study!)

Best wishes

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Bob,
If you want to learn Photoshop (or just about any commercial DTP program) easily and painlessly, go to www.lynda.com and sign up for a month of on line video training. For a grand total of ONLY $25, you can watch 65 hours of Photoshop tutorials...and they are well done. My last article in SC was on this company.

I would also suggest watching a month of tutorials EVEN if you took the David Butler Workshops...before or after. They really teach you the basics and beyond. This is so much easier than learning through any book I have ever seen.

Good luck,

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