posted January 16, 2004 12:52 AM
I started with Corel, now an Illustrator user-still know Corel but prefer Illustrator, to me, it's more intuative, pity that Corel didn't take off on Macs, but it was always a hard sell.
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posted January 16, 2004 01:02 AM
Oh Cripes you scared me with that one Daniel, I thought you were saying Corel was folding. It's the only program I use so that would be tragic, but luckily I'm not on Mac so its all good.
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quote:Originally posted by Joe Rees: I thought you were saying Corel was folding. It's the only program I use so that would be tragic...
After years of financial problems, Corel was recently purchased by Vector Capital. They have been steadily trimming their product line since then. It began shortly after Corel promised to support the Mac platform. Then they dropped Bryce, which was unforgivable.
I for one will be learning Freehand, even though I use CorelDRAW on a Mac and PC. I stopped purchasing CorelDRAW for Windows at version 10. Although CorelDRAW 12 is due out soon, I'll be sticking with 10, then attempting to switch my sign shop and all of those run by Anheuser-Busch wholesalers over to Freehand. Many years ago, I helped initiate the A-B Custom P.O.S. program. Now it seems I need to tweak it to run with Freehand.
So long, Corel, here's hoping your carcass is torn to bits and assimilated elsewhere. I'd still like to see Apple purchase the Corel portfolio from Vector Capital, to use within their various programs.
posted January 16, 2004 11:19 AM
Good luck learning Freehand If I was going switch, it would be to Illustrator- the industry standard. We have and use Corel, Illustrator, Xara, and Freehand- which is the clunkiest and frustrating out of all of them. But to each his own. The reason Corel never got very far in the Mac circles is Adobe has been the flagship, and industry standard applications since Macs were created. It is hard to get reasonable share of the pie when you are viewed as the underdog. The latest issue of CreativeProse which is predominatly Mac, had a very complementary article on Corel and it's decision to not support Macs.
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posted January 16, 2004 12:06 PM
I'm still using 7 (along with other programs). I refuse to become CAPTIVE to the UPGRADE "scheme" as long as I can use what I already have. Most of the upgrade stuff is bells n whistles most of us can realistically do without anyway. Of course you'll hear different from the manufacturers and their dealers who make a living keeping us all pumped up! As for me. I've had enough! I'm almost a dinosaur since I'm STILL using 7, and Photoshop 4, along with Casmate and Inspire. Anyhow, the "bells n whistles" jobs are few and far between......NOT my bread and butter.
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posted January 16, 2004 12:16 PM
I also found Freehand much easier to use than Illustrator when I first switched from Corel Draw 5.
Now I use Illustrator almost exclusively, because it is the industry standard, and it goes into and out of Photoshop so well.
If I had it to do over again, I'd skip the Freehand phase.
The reason the industry standard is important, and also the reason we reluctantly stay up to date on versions, is that we accept a large number of customer files for output. Doing this correctly requires a version at least as high as the one the file was prepared on.
We almost never get Freehand files from clients.
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posted January 16, 2004 01:21 PM
I like Freehand, quite a few designers use it-so I wouldn't say Illustrator is the industry standard, but if you add Cadtools (www.hotdoor.com) Illustrator rocks. I do believe Corel is a decent program, I think if you stick with it on signage you are going to be okay, anything like major printing projects or sharing with print designers, then, Illustrator would be a more logical choice.
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posted January 17, 2004 01:48 AM
gee pc market is like 95% sales of corel, mac is 4% i wonder why they dropped it....just get a pc.....problem solved...
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posted January 19, 2004 12:20 PM
like I said before, I have all of them and USE all of them at some point- They are TOOLS- and usually require a learning curve- some tools are better than others for different type jobs- just find the most appropriate tool for the particular job. For ME, Freehand has never been the appropriate tool- not that it doesn't have it's place- but I don't think it can replace DRAW or Illustrator, even if you are just ticked because Corel is not supporting Macs anymore.
My original point was- if you are dead set on switching- why not go Adobe which IS the industry standard file formats in many areas? If Adobe (or Corel)is not the right tool for your application, then Freehand may be just what you need.
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posted February 09, 2004 08:02 AM
Wathever you like it or not, i consider it's never lost time to follow the Adobe seminars about new products (Maxc or PC). At least to be informed about the new standard in the graphic industry.
Currently, Adobe organises its "Creative Tour" in many cities in USA . This free seminar runs from 1 to 5 p.m.
posted February 09, 2004 08:40 AM
I used to use a Mac and PC side by side. I have used freehand, illustrator and several more I can't remember. When Corel came around for the Mac we loaded it, it operated ten times faster on the PC. We evolved to using the Mac for Photoshop until it was available on the PC. Then we said bye, bye to the Macs. The PC programs have a drastically smaller learning curve.
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quote:Originally posted by Rovelle W. Gratz: When Corel came around for the Mac we loaded it, it operated ten times faster on the PC.... The PC programs have a drastically smaller learning curve.
To be fair, The early Mac versions of CorelDRAW, i.e. versions 6 and 8, were pure abominations. They worked, but were unbearably slow and very demanding on system resources.
As for the learning curve, I would argue the opposite, but that's because I prefer Macs. Mac OS X is by far the most stable and intuitive Mac operating system thus far. I will never abandon the Mac platform, so after twelve years I reluctantly bid farewell to CorelDRAW.
posted February 10, 2004 09:20 AM
Argueing Mac vs PC is like argueing politics or religion. Most of the reviewers agree that the Mac programs have a long learning curve.
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posted February 10, 2004 09:44 AM
Hi! I used Corel since 1996 and Illustrator since 1998. I use Illustrator to vectorize and work with colours and for his accuracy. Corel is very simple to use. So, I prefer Corel.
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quote:Originally posted by Rovelle W. Gratz: Most of the reviewers agree that the Mac programs have a long learning curve.
I do not understand this statement at all. CorelDRAW is CorelDRAW, whether on a Mac or PC; same with Photoshop, Illustrator, or whatever.
If you mean that Mac OS X is more difficult than WinXP, then isn't that is a personal observation? I use both every day and would choose the Mac hands down as the easiest, most stable, and most intuitive OS.
posted February 12, 2004 01:51 PM
Careful Dan, you're on thin ice on this forum. If your ever considering adding an Edge to your arsenal give me a call. I've been a MacImprint beta tester since 99 and I'll be happy to bring you up to speed. It's immensely easier to operate the Edge from Illustrator than it is Omega.
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If I was going switch, it would be to Illustrator- the industry standard. We have and use Corel, Illustrator, Xara, and Freehand- which is the clunkiest and frustrating out of all of them. But to each his own.
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