Just had an idea to do a series of a "modern" style of pin-up girls. I'm using my wife and a friend of hers to model right now. Wanted to concentrate on a concept of portraying the "alternative" lifestyle"...tattoos, xtreme sports (bmx biking, skateboarding, ect...)
Here is the first draft I added some color to. The text will be placed else where. Let me know what you think of the illustration please.
Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
Looks like a man. If that's what you were going for you nailed it.
Posted by jake snow (Member # 5889) on :
Scary dude. might wanna work on the chick a bit.
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
Will do...I wasn't trying to make her look like a man, but I was trying to make her look like she could kick your a**. Guess I'll work on it a bit.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Google Vargas girls, rosy the riveter should be in there, excellent example of what you're after, definitly female, but w/guns and attitude of a dude...
Posted by Roy Frisby (Member # 736) on :
Maybe this? Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
ok Roy? the fact that you had that to post scares me Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
(edited) March 22, 2006 This is about a fun loving woman who has a sense of humor and I find it only if this woman posing is enjoying her body! Roy, I was trying to lighten up the situation and create some smiles. You know, this woman is beautiful since she has such great self esteem to not be ashamed of her body, you know. In many cultures, she is considered beautiful, and their "pinup" girl. and, I hope that's her mission, really, not to make you lust.
[ March 22, 2006, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Deb Fowler ]
Posted by Bob Stephens (Member # 858) on :
LOL Deb...too friggin funny. poor kitty.
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Kelsey It's a good starting point.
There is a few things I like to suggest.. The image is to flat...I mean that the skin tones is all one colour and the black gloves etc.. have no depth....
You have to remember the human body is round and needs 3 tones to colouring.
Highlight Midtone Shading (Shadow)
Also remember the facial aspect..It is made up of many muscles and most of them are oval or circular in shape. Depth and demention of the eyes and nose areas...
Keep on drawing is the only way to get better... I'll post a Pin-Up Model later as I have been doing this type of work for close to thirty years now..
I can never stop asking someone if I can Paint or Airbrush their portrait..
Raven/2006
Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
Roy That's sick! lol
Posted by bill riedel (Member # 607) on :
Roy, is this the original Miss Piggy?
Posted by Arvil Shep' Shepherd (Member # 2030) on :
Her "Little People" husband was here just a moment ago !!!Has anyone seen him ???????
LOL LOL
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
Thanks Stephen and Magoo,
YOUR input is of great use. It's nice to know what I did wrong, but even better to know how I can fix it.
Thank Roy... is that a picture of your wife? LOL...just kidding
[ March 22, 2006, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: Kelsey Dum ]
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Roy,
That picture is so wrong on so many planes.
I am going outside to find a sharp stick to gouge my eyes out. Wait, I have to work tomorrow. Maybe next time, then.
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
Here is another rendition. I added some more detail and smoothed out the skin. How does she look now?
Posted by Roger DiNofa (Member # 2781) on :
Kelsey,
She's just looking too manly in my opinion. Pin ups usually have long slender lines and curves. Maybe your after the look you got if so nevermind. Also shouldn't it be spelt Tattoo. keep pluggin' away you'll get it.
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
Yeah, in the first post I asked never mind the text (I'm not working on that right now, but you are right it should be TATTOOANNA). I am however loooking for a different style than what has been represented in the past... I like my women with a little "attitude" if you know what I mean. I'm really into heavy metal and the hardcore scene so hopefully I nailed it...?
Thanks for the advise.
Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
A lot better. Try pushing the skin tones over to the pink side.
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
quote:ok Roy? the fact that you had that to post scares me
Bob - that was perfect!!
Roy - Please tell me that's not Arkansas' finest.
Kelsey - re the lady: Turn your head all the way to the left, and then try and turn your eyes all the way to the right....I don't think it's physically possible.
One thing for sure...I can tell you're a boob-man.
Interesting the women are staying out of this thread....for the most part.
The legs like very man-muscle like with big ol' nutcracker knees...can't you give her a more femanine shape in the legs? Looks like a set of power-lifter legs to me.
Regarding the breasts - ummmm...they appear to be two perfectly round Tupperware bowls grafted onto her body....dude...not even fake headlights are that perfectly round even with a push-up bra. It just seems unnatural.
Ya need some shadows around her right hand and right leg....she appears not to be grounded.
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
Thanks George and Todd,
It's amazing how much better it looks with the pink skin tones...much more depth and a lot more realistic.
Still need to work on the boobs, but she does have some knobby knees and thick thighs, and I want to keep it looking as much like her as I can.
Thanks, again guys.
Posted by Jill Marie Welsh (Member # 1912) on :
From a woman's perspective (one who actually loves pin-ups and Bettie Page, et all) This woman looks like a linebacker. The shoulders are so broad, the hips too narrow... the thighs are sauerkraut stomperish. The torso is too long for those legs. Mentally stand her up....I'm sure she'd be off kilter, even in heels. The left toe needs to be seen also. And the feet smaller. While the shading and pinker tones do help, her expression is churlish rather than come-hither. No matter how tuff she is, she is still a woman. She seems almost transvestite. The bridge of her nose is thick, the eyebrows angry, the chin pointy. Women by nature are much daintier of bone. I hope you don't take offense (or your wife want to pulverize me) but you did ask for a female perspective. You could improve on the awkward side profile by turning her head so we can see both eyes, maybe even tilting her head slightly. Her hairdo looks like the kind of lady you sit behind in church who never combs the back of her hair. Are you sorry you asked yet? I do like the concept. I even have a waxing moon tattoo with a buxom fairy on it. Love....Jill
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
No Jill I am not sorry at all for I am a young 23 year old (hopefully) budding artist who is not afraid to be subject to criticism. I need all the "useful" input as I can get. No offense taken because that is actually how she is built. Her biological father was born, raised and still lives in Germany and her mother is a dainty little El Salvadoran woman so she does have an odd build which is why I am so set on keeping the broad "European" nose and shoulders and her thick "Latin" thighs. I do still need to work on my proportioning, but hopefully that will just come with practice.
Otherwise I totally agree with the comments you've made. The second girl I have offering to model is more the body style of the average pin-up girl. Maybe that one will better represent my drawing skills.
Thanks again.
[ March 23, 2006, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: Kelsey Dum ]
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
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Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Kelsay, you have got to do something with her right hand. The perspective on the fingers is wrong and the thumb is way out of proportion. You wouldn't see what you are if she was leaning into to moon like that.
Just my take on it...
Posted by Suelynn Sedor (Member # 442) on :
Kelsey,
Wow, you've come a long way since the first draft!
I agree with the critique of the face. She has her face tilted straight to the side, but her eye is viewed from straight on. I'd like to see you turn her face towards the viewer, or fix her eye so that it appears to be viewed from the side.
I also think she needs to shave under her kneecaps. Us girls don't like the public to see those sorts of things!!!!
It's great to see you taking in the suggestions you are getting and the improvements it is making.
Suelynn
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
looks like MARILYN MANSON....sorry dude..
Posted by bill riedel (Member # 607) on :
Why does she need socks on over the stockings? Either take them off or put a pair of cowboy boots on her, they look much more sexy. Do girls still wear garters? I thought every one switched to panty hose. Just an old man's opinion.
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
I think for a first draft it's pretty good. The color is definately better, and the form is starting seem like it has mass.
I think the pose needs better planning. If I were doing this myself I would look around for a large cylinder to pose the model in. A playground might have something suitable. Otherwise I would build a prop for the model to pose on. Anything to show a more natural interaction between the model and the moon shape. Right now it looks like she was just pasted on there. It would solve the problem with the right hand, as well as the awkward position of the legs. She seems pretty uncomfortable in the pose, instead of relaxed and sexy.
As a result of the pose her arms are too short, as though they were foreshortened. It's best to avoid forshortening in most illustration work. It makes limbs look freaky - too small or too large.
I find the blue tattoo distracting as it contrasts with the black and red theme. I'm thinking something tribal and less colorful would make her look meaner - if that's what you're after.
I'm wondering if the garter straps wouldn't go on top of the undies.
The end of her little cigarette thing terminates right at the edge of the moon. It creates a tension point that isn't pleasing. I would shorten it or change its position.
I agree with what's been said about the profile and the eye. In full profile the eye would not be almond shaped. Have your model pose her head in different positions and see how the shape of the eye changes to the viewer.
I think this idea has a lot of possibility. Have fun!
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Kelsey
This is so funny! I see so much comments on what to do..But no samples of what they have done.
I know that every man under the sun with an artistic talent has tryed to draw Pin-Ups one day or another.
Keep at it!!!!!
I like your output so far and no one can tell myself that Picasso was full of talent, more like he was full of Wine..... Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
Well Stephen, I haven't done any pinup girls, but I sure would like to see some that you've done. Post them on another thread though. Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Stephen, I have painted a few pin up girls before. If you look back to the Letterville Circus panel swap, you will see one I did. It may not be a subject matter I do a lot of but I still have done one.
Just a point, just because someone hasn't painted or drawn one, doesn't make their opinions any less valid. I may not be able to carry a tune in a bucket but I surely know the difference between good and bad singing.
Just my opinion...
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
Her is a slight modification. Really subtle...tilted her head (just slightly) more towards us, shortened the chin, added a couple more shadows, and shortened the cigg. Still need to fix her hand on the moon, but still not positive I want to use the moon for her prop...maybe something else. She was originally posing on a flat surface.
NEW
OLD Thanks.
[ March 24, 2006, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: Kelsey Dum ]
Posted by Keith Myers (Member # 5051) on :
Kelsey, I can't draw anything like what you have drawn, but you asked for opinions not samples. The main thing that bothers me is that her left foot hangs on the backside of the moon, but her arm is resting on that leg. That would be really uncomfortable. Maybe draw it where her foot is sitting on the moon rather than behind it.
Posted by jake snow (Member # 5889) on :
Kelsey, How bout posting the original reference picture you took so everyone can see what you are trying to duplicate. That would save all the posts about changing the "figure" and more about the positioning and such.
(Of course unless the original is a nude..then just e-mail it to me and i'll give ya my two cents )
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
Hey Jake...nice try...LOL! It was done from a nude and I don't have a picture for a reference, which I think is why this is so difficult. Next time I guess I'll try to take a picture too so I have something to go back to as a reference. She was on the bed (flat surface) so that's why I need to figure out a way to fit her right hand on the moon. I have another girl wanting to model soon so I'll try the picture with her.
I'm just trying to practice my "raw" drawing skills on a 3-dimensional live model...it's got to be the most difficult thing to accomplish (the human body) but fun and a great practice for your real artistic abilities. I don't know how many of you out there practice this, but I think it is an essential for progressing my art skills.
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Russ
I'm sure that you didn't see my sample post. More the style of George Petty. If I post another, the "Mayor and his Wife" will have myself barred.
Kelsey posts is one of the greatest I have seen! He has started and followed his talent so far.
Some great effort in the making.
[ March 25, 2006, 04:18 AM: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]
Posted by Gary Hove (Member # 4970) on :
Jill hit it on the head, you have to put more female characteristics into the fuigure. The waist and hips for sure and the legs could be longer. Pin ups are not so much what the modle looks like but what you want seen, and choose a pose that will compliment the female shape, long lines and curves. I don't mind the look on the face but features could be finer with the neck slimmer. A good pose should have a great facial expression.
Posted by jake snow (Member # 5889) on :
quote: I'm just trying to practice my "raw" drawing skills on a 3-dimensional live model...it's got to be the most difficult thing to accomplish (the human body)
Amen brother, and for the record your already a hell of alot farther long then most (and that would be including me) Unlike alot of the fellow heads here, I'm not a artist, I'm a sign painter. Never claimed to be and probably never will. Just feel lucky you have time to "practice" something without having to pull it off to get paid
By the way keep up the trying to improve your artistic skills. Because most sign painters are just artist that became sign painters to pay the bills. Me on the other hand became one because my father made me
[ March 24, 2006, 06:25 PM: Message edited by: jake snow ]
Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
I tried to tweak a couple of things others have said and agree with. You got a good start as I and many know, the human figure is really hard to do well. That's why I leave them out of my paintings many times.
Anyways, here is my take as a start. Bigger hips, softer lines and hair, less muscular and the knee was altered.
Three quarter view of face is a meager attempt but I think that it is what needs to be worked on.
Good luck.
[ March 24, 2006, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: David Wright ]
Posted by Ray Rheaume (Member # 3794) on :
Kelsey,
There are some artists out there who set the standard and you might want to check out their stuff...
Dave Stevens does some of the best pin up art I've ever seen.
Alberto Vargas set the standard for years in Playboy magazine.
If you want to get a better grasp on this kind of illustration, I'd recommend getting a copy of "Burne Hogarth's Dynamic Anatomy". It gives not only a good study of the human form, but shows how the male and female structures vary in not only shape, but movement.
My take on it...from a quick pencil trace and scan. I repositioned her legs to give it a more realistic look and pointed her pinky finger up some to add femininity. A little more lighting. ...nuts...
I need sleep. Rapid
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Ray.... Very nice rendering on his wife portrait. Great example of depth and skin tones. Well done.
I think Kelsey is getting a crash course on this one! Posted by George Perkins (Member # 156) on :
Whoa Ray.....nice job! Kinda reminds me of Ann-Margret HOT!!!!
Posted by Russ McMullin (Member # 5617) on :
Ray, you are quick! Very nice revision.
Posted by Arvil Shep' Shepherd (Member # 2030) on :
Ray, Put her hand resting on the Moon....and you will have "Nailed" it......Way to go... Shep'
Posted by Linda Silver Eagle (Member # 274) on :
...why not put her hand on her hip...women do that when they get to doin' stuff on purpose LOL.
(This was my hubby's idea, not mine...he gets the credit! LOL)
I love watching this progress.
Posted by Kelsey Dum (Member # 6101) on :
Very impressive Ray, although I would have to say I could only wish my wife spent that much time in the gym. I definitely understand what you mean now by getting more of a 3/4 view on the face and adding more depth. I'm still young and learning, but I think my next one will be a lot better due to this thread.
I think we should keep this subject alive...I'll bet many people could use drawing tips like these.
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