I've started a yahoo group for anyone interested in pinstriping, autographics and/or kustom kulture. All are welcome to join in at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinstripers/ Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
Shane...This may seem like a dumb question, but I gotta ask it anyway.
Why do you feel PinHeads need another forum? Is there a benefit I am not seeing, that would be served by dividing us?
Most of us here in Letterville are very interested in pinstriping, autographics and the kustom kulture. Several of us consider ourselves PinHeads and Letterheads. At most meets, we all work side by side learning from each other.
The question is "Why do you feel Pinheads and Letterheads need separate hangouts?"
Posted by Danny Busselle (Member # 3746) on :
At First Thought would Be "CONTROL ISSUES" also he may feel Like he is "ABOVE ALL THIS" it's most likley is a part of BOTH. there much more going on Here if you take some time to Meet The People In "THE CRAFT" Posted by BrianTheBrush (Member # 1298) on :
Well,
That's like saying "We've got a perfectly good restaurant here, why would you want to go to a new restaurant?"
I can see 1 advantage being that many people browse through a given list of forums, Yahoo being one of the big ones, and it could bring some new people to the table, whichever table that may be.
With new people, comes fresh outlooks, new ideas, etc.
Hell, if Shane starts spreading the word of Letterville in a yahoo group, it could attract more people here.
I would think that ENCOURAGING anyone to try to create more forums, chat rooms, boards and databases is a good idea.
Just a thought.
Brian Briskie
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
I think it's more like saying "we've got a perfectly good international association of restaurants here... why would anyone want to open another one" but that's just me... & what are we if not a big bunch of varied opinions anyway, so there's mine Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Give me a friggin break, how many pinstripers do ya really see posting here on a daily basis besides myself? Sure theres many pinstripers who have registered but what exactly do they have in common with all the signmakers that are here? And sure,there are some pinstripers that stop here to promote their meets and check out the board but all in all, pinstripers surely are different.
Sure there are signmakers who pinstripe or would like to learn how to pinstripe, but in all reality they aren't pinstripers and those of us who are don't have to do signage to make ends meet. Everyone wants to learn pinstriping after finding out how much money can be made with a minimum of tools, but doing designs ain't what being a pinstriper is all about
I frequent other boards that pertain strictly to pinstripers and vehicle art as well as visiting Letterville but the mainstream of my work hasn't anything to do with signage, digging holes, applying vinyl, or installing plastic translucent faces and playing games. I remember Steve saying the he wanted Tattooists to join in here in Letterville years back, can ya see that?
So, Shane is starting a new pinstriping site and thats fine with me as I'll visit when I'm in a serious mood. Being a resident here and seeing my photo is all fine and dandy but saying that this site has everyone working hand in hand is pure bullsh-t. Hell, I'm happy doing what I do and can't see the need for giving someone a hard time when trying to promote a new stripe site.
As far as residents here, Bob Bond and Auto-Art has a vehicle art BB on their site, even Rapid-Tac has a BB, even CJ Allan has a BB on his site, so whats the problem?
On my last note I'll say that I am so happy I'm in my last years on this planet and after 50 some odd years doing it by hand, I don't have to hold back my thoughts of what I think or have to learn all over again how its really done, there ain't no tricks, just pure talent.
Have a nice day Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
Shane I don't condemm your initiative, but I find it a little cold to do your advertising for it in Letterville...
It would be like me hanging out in your shop waiting for a customer to arrive then pulling him aside and saying "I can do it better". I bet you'd be more than a little annoyed.
Steve built this site from scratch...if you're going to build one...great...get out there and do it...with integrity.
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
I'm not against other forums or anything that helps promote the Letterhead ideals. What bothers me is this idea that we have to divide ourselves into two separate and distinct groups. What's next? Separate meetings?
Barb and I attended our first Letterhead meet back in 1983. There were several pinstripers at that meet, along with airbrush artists, gilders, carvers, calligraphers, pictorial artists and so on. We were all proud to call ourselves Letterheads and share all facets of our various specialties. I'm all for the idea of new Letterhead restaurants as long as they are open to everyone interested.
At a personal level, we like to think of Letterville as a giant melting pot of related skills. That may include sign makers, pinstripers, carvers, calligraphers, airbrush artists, gilders and other related trades. If a tattoo artist, package designer or sculpter is interested in Letterville, and willing to share, we're going to welcome them with open arms. In fact, one of our first profiles was a sculptor from Chicago named Walter Arnold
And Joey... For a guy that never does comman signs or lettering, you have to be very proud of the pinstiping job you did on this window. I still think this job would have gone faster with a quill than a striper.
[ October 13, 2003, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: Steve Shortreed ]
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Shane...i tried to register, but your site won't let me enter under my nick or name, some-one else has it. What's up with that? Who out there could possibly have same name as I? To others; i agree w/joey, nut'n left to say. magoo
Posted by BrianTheBrush (Member # 1298) on :
Ya know Joey,
You've got some serious god damned social disorder workin' there guy. You're the first one to throw stones about ANYTHING (like saying that 1Shot has no place in a REAL bike painter's arsenol, and that REAL bike painters are this, and don't want that). Now yer flappin' yer jaw about "Sure, there are signmakers who pinstripe...but in reality they aren't pinstripers and those of us who are don't have to do signage to make ends meet" What kind of arroghant bull**** is that? Who the hell are you, some kinda self-proclaimed striping god?
Just because you've been doing this **** forever, doesn't make you an authority. You're the most negative, pessimistic prick I've ever seen posting here.
I AM a pinstriper.
I AM a signmaker.
I AM a bike painter.
And for what it's worth, I'm a damned good finish carpenter, a great copywriter, and a pretty fair businessman.
And it's through that diversity, that I've gotten where I am. I live a great life, with a great wife, in a really big, nice house on a gorgeous piece of property. I have really neat toys, some killer cars, and rarely have to say no to anything I want. I like what I do. ALL OF IT.
You can be more than one thing in this world Joey, in fact, it's commendable to pursue and get good at more than one vocation. If this board is NOT a striping board, and the people here are as pathetic as you imply...go away. I for one would be happy to not have to see your sniveling, trite posts anymore.
And for what it's worth..what you and what most everyone else who is a skilled tradesperson has, IS NOT the "pure talent" you pat yourself so hardily on the back for having. It's a skill. An aquired skill. Just like lettering, and design, and illustration and riding a freakin Schwinn.
Get over yourself.
Brian Briskie
Posted by ShaneMussche (Member # 3028) on :
If you take the time to read the description of my site, at my site,you would know it is also for those who are interested in kustom kulture. Would you prefer i discuss rat rods, tattoos and rockabilly here? This site is top notch and a valued asset to myself and all of us but is not what everyone wants. It is not my intent nor do I feel it is possible to take anything from this forum. All I have provided is a specialty group for those interested in pinstriping and kustom kulture. The second thing is yahoo allows you to get a daily digest. So it is entirely possible to sign up and get that sent to you without visiting the forum once. I am sorry I thought some of you here may be interested. How dare I.
re. nickname: Yahoo is huge. User names are shared between all of their groups. Someone on the yahoo knitting forum could have that name for all we know. Kinda sucks but
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Brian, you definately have a reading disorder. I never said 1-Shot doesn't have a place, I just said 1-Shot doesn't rank high on the list for custom painting or on show quality work on bikes to be clearcoated.
Now to get to your pinstriping, your work sucks, your designs look like a kid done it. Theres no flair and the car shows that you've been part of have all been in places where cows roam.
I never pointed my finger at you or thought of you when I posted. As much as I see it, thats your problem.
I'm happy for all you have and glad to see you have a life beyond pinstriping, now get on with it. You call me names as if it truly matters, well stand on line cause you certainly aren't the first that can't handle the truth. When you actually stood in my shoes did you happen to notice the size?
Posted by BrianTheBrush (Member # 1298) on :
Joey...
Cows roam? C'mon man...if you have a problem with me, take it up with me. Don't belittle the promotors and participants of the shows I'm involved with.
You did indeed say a couple weeks back that 1Shot had NO place in a bike painter's arsenol.
I'm glad you think my work sucks, that way, if we do ever happen to be a pinhead event together, I won't have to worry about you're getting all chummy and such.
It's really sad that you have to revert to that 8th grade crap that you're typing.
And oh, it would be "like a kid DID it, not "done" it. You're grasp on the english language is just overwhelming.
I'm not going to lower myself, or this forum, to the level that you're pushing me into.
Looking forward to beating, er, I mean meeting you sometime.
Posted by BrianTheBrush (Member # 1298) on :
Shane.
Many of us are interested. The KK/Rockabilly/Rat Rod thing will be well recieved.
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
can we take the venom to a private level?
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
When was the last time you saw a 5 foot high front window on a storfront?
Posted by Dwayne Hunter (Member # 133) on :
Sometimes, I just can't believe what I read here. The arrogance and short-sighted comments run rampant often, too often really. To give Shane a hard time for promoting another forum is just bad business, if indeed this is a business. Personally, I've never come here to buy, sell or promote, only to ask questions, give replies (right or wrong) and maybe participate in some interesting conversations and projects. Has anyone thought that maybe Shane's "crowd" doesn't want to come here to discuss their interests because they want their own private format where one striper doesn't tell another striper his works sucks and looks like the work of a kid. I know I don't want to hear that crap.
Brian, I had never seen any of your work in depth til today. I've seen your name in Signcraft along with pictures of some KILLER work in SignGold ads. In my opinion, your pinstriping is great in the pictures I saw on your website. The designs are clean, the colors work together. I can't tell how great your lines are, but considering the level of quality you instill in your other work, I feel comfortable saying they are probably of excellent quality, consistency.
Why does my opnion matter? It doesn't, just like Joey's critique of Brian work doesn't. The fact remains that Brian gets paid. I could get off on a rant about how pinstripers, including Joey, put their abilities on a higher pedestal than signpainters. I know this, because I did it. I've been around the some of the best in the business and watched them do it, too. The fact of the matter is pinstripers are a whole different breed of painter. Just like bike painters, just like airbrush artists.
All in all, if some of the egos that get so flared around here were kept in check, it would be more fun. The same thing could be said for the business as a whole. It was my impression when I first learned of Letterville that that was one of the goals, to reduce the secrecy and petty games that gets played amongst so many in this business. It would be great to see that happening again....
Posted by Ryan Ursta (Member # 1738) on :
Hey, I'm still a kid, that would be a compliment to say my work looked like a kid DONE it. In all actuality arren't we all still "KIDS" at heart. We all go to work to "color" all day. A great person, and fellow sign artist once told me that when his kid came home from school one day he asked him what he did in school that day, his son replied "I colored" his dad said "Me too!"
Brian and Joey you both do great work! Now will you guys get off your horses. Your making me look bad on this "donkey" Good luck!
-Ryan
Posted by Dwayne Hunter (Member # 133) on :
but Brian....what's wrong with a freakin' Schwinn?????
Posted by CJ Allan (Member # 52) on :
Shane... Looks like apretty good place ya got goin over there......!! I'd like to check it out more but sure don't need all the spam that seems to come from Yahoo all the time...........
What really impresses me is the fact that you use the word "Pinstripers" and not that other werd Pin...hhhh-eee-aaaa.....aw hell..I still can't say it...!!
........cj
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Joey
I do lots of "Design" tattoo work for the female anatomy......Skin Pinstripping...
But I don't think this is the place to show it. Posted by ShaneMussche (Member # 3028) on :
Thanks CJ.
Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
Danny Busselle - Very well put! I wonder, though, if you've fired that volley well over the heads of those who might take notice...
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Shane; thru all of this, did you read that I have a problem getting registered? I am a pinstriper first, and would like to enter your new site and see it's potential, it's premise has promise, as sometimes, as Joey alluded to, pinstripers don't fit exactly in this forum. I know that over 75% of what happens here has nothing to do with pinstriping and a site leaning towards striping is interesting to me. I do indeed enjoy this site, as I also do signs and many other facets involving the word craft and some that don't, and see no conflict in the fact that you wish to start a different site. One should bolster the other and visa-versa. I would think like some, that it's a good for all proposition. What I don't understand and am getting tired of is the flame-fests that residents here seem to pride themselves on, is your site going to address this issue or ignore it? I would really like to enter a safe zone once in a while to seriously talk pinstriping, not get flamed for being polictically incorrect when opinion's don't match. Are your rules going to have teeth? I guess my question should be: are there any rules and what are they? Also, what am I to do about name issue? I really want my name, not a made-up one, it's silly, I know, but, important to me. Thank you for listening and would you check into the name thing? respectfully; magoo
Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
Amazing how people read a thread and feel its all about them,not that that ever happens here. Frank, i belong to a few yahoo groups and Shane has no say on the user name over there unlike he would here,ya gotta take it up with yahoo/try to register it with yahoo itself...i believe you can ask them to see if the nick if taken is currently active and petition to get it if its not etc....you oughta be able to reigster some version of frank magoo with em.
Posted by Frank Magoo (Member # 3950) on :
Gavin; good idea, I'' give it a try. Thank you........frank
Posted by ShaneMussche (Member # 3028) on :
Thanks for answering that for me I made mention of the problem above but it is at the bottom of a post so Frank probably didn't see it. My fault. Frank,I will be doing everything I can to moderate the list and keep it clean and clear of negative posts. I have a pretty swift axe when it comes to that stuff.
Posted by Stephen Faulkner (Member # 2511) on :
I'm on other groups at yahoo and other forums related to pinstriping and kustom kulture. It ain't nuthin new for sure, however it is another resource, and if not for these other "groups" I'd miss out on quite a few events. Sulpy's, in N.J. or the "Primer Nationals" in So-Cal and the Rat Fink Reunion info and the Wizzards pinstripers hall of fame". It's all about getting information and knowledge then sharing it.......
"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts"!
Posted by ShaneMussche (Member # 3028) on :
Stephen I'd love a list of the other groups so that I join then as well. Just their names. You don't have to post links, I can search for them myself. Thanks.
Posted by Stephen Faulkner (Member # 2511) on :
Yahoo groups: pinstriperspage hot rod deluxe kustom kulture art do a group search in yahoo groups you can find all kinds of stuff. Also pinstriper.com AND don't forget Bob Bond's site!!!....
I'm also in many other things related to restorations and old bikes and gasoline stuff. You'd be surprised how much you can learn at these places regarding car shows, pinstriper info and so on.
[ October 17, 2003, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Stephen Faulkner ]
Posted by Ed Ryall (Member # 3221) on :
Please pass the popcorn.
Posted by Bill Edwards (Member # 4213) on :
To quote former U.S. representative James Trafficant: "Beam me up !!!!"
To Danny: Control issues ? Just have to ask you how many other signpainters are in your neck of the woods, and how many of them you wish you could "control"
To Joey: BULLSEYE !!! Enough said.
To CJ Allen: When the he** did this "pinhead" moniker get put on pinstripers. Where I come from, if you called someone a pinhead you would next be opening your mouth so the guy could unlace and remove his boot, if you know what I mean.
And to the rest of you: What happened to a little "friendly competition" ? I don't remember the United States going communist, unless they forgot to inform me.
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
quote:What happened to a little "friendly competition"
wow he's got 8 messages already, (well 2 if you don't count his) nothing like competition to keep everyone on there toes. Thanks for joining up to point that out! Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
To Bill Edwards..Just a gentle reminder that this website is not run by anyone in the United States. It is owned and operated and moderated by a Canadian couple.
And, of course, Canada is not a communist country either.
Just mentioning this and not trying to be a s**t disturber. Posted by CJ Allan (Member # 52) on :
Bill............. I don't know, and I don't use the word, and it's not a good idea to call me one either......... but I have been "pinstriping" since around 1954 or 5 I guess other people can be whatever they want though, after all, we live in a society of label makers, so everybodys gotta be a something..........
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