I've been using quite a bit of neschen materials lately.. a local sign/graphics shop is a distributor for neschen so since they are required to order a certain amount of material every month to maintain their distributorship, it's convenient to get it from them otherwise I gotta have everything shipped in.
Anyway.. it seems like OK stuff. They have almost every color Avery or Universal offers, many of them exact matches. They cut and weed nicely. I haven't had any problems with the material, and no calls about it failing prematurely.
I like it. There's no cost difference between neschen and avery so it's not like my words are money-driven. I can actually get Avery a little cheaper but convenience and the ability to expedite jobs quicker means I'll go with Neschen.
Posted by William DeBekker (Member # 3848) on :
I have used alot of the Neschen vinyls when Sparcal went belly up... Especially the Vibrant Green as no one made that color.. Never Had a problem with it.. "Yet"
Posted by Chuck Gallagher (Member # 69) on :
......except the black shrinks alot!
Posted by Del Badry (Member # 114) on :
Mike, from what I know , Neschen is a converter or Avery vinyl.. one of the local suppliers was selling avery when it was pulled from them, because of a larger supplier picking up Avery, they took Avery away from the smaller guys.. the supplier explained that Neschen converted Avery Roll Stock..
I could be wrong, but thats what i was told...
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
Del,
Avery prints their logo on all their liners, not to say they couldnt manufacture material for other companies to repackage, but I have noticed some differences..
1. Not all the colors are the same
2. Avery film has a more aggressive adhesive, they call it "permanent" instead of repositionable
from what I understand Avery converts all their materials at the factory. I can call Avery direct and get whatever width and color I need.
Posted by jimmy chatham (Member # 525) on :
i think neschen vinyls are made in germany.
Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
I was just informed of the Neschen Story by one of my suppliers... When Avery bought out SparCal/Universal, Neschen picked up about 20 former Universal employees and started in the vinyl business here in the US. Supposedly, most, if not all of their product is manufactured here in the USA. A lot of Neschen's colors are an exact match Universal's vinyls. Neschen has over 100 years of experience in the adhesive business in Europe.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Posted by Bruce Evans (Member # 44) on :
My experience has been that Neschen is crap. I would put it last in line in our shop. The adhesive has a real "gumminess" to eat, resulting in alot of shrinkage. Try using a dark color and give it 6 months in the sun. I'll take Oracal over it anyday.
Posted by E. Balch (Member # 3545) on :
Thanks Mike,
I've been interested in Neschen for a while.
It's kind of interesting having a German company make vinyl in the US, while american companies are moving production to asia. How do you support the hometown guys? Who are the hometown guys?
ON the subject of vinyl: I would like to know how people evaluate vinyl adhesive.
Diane handles most of the vinyl work so my technique is poor compared to hers. I like a thicker harder vinyl without much initial tack. I think this is easier to work with. Do these vinyls really have a worse performance outside? I suppose they have more shrinkage. I have been buying gerber quantum 4000 for decals it seems good to work with.
Diane likes the cast Avery vinyl that drives me crazy, it grabs the surface and doesn't want to let go causing bubble hell. When I try wet application it gets a lot worse.
Beyond price how do you select a vinyl?
ernie Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
Well... I love that Avery "instant bond".. I can use wet apps and it still grabs on quick.
I DON'T like 3M films.. I'm sure it's great for signs and conforming to tough shapes and rivets, but it's too soft and the adhesive is weak.. it rips easily even after application which isn't good in my main line of work - jetski graphics - cause they get beat up. Avery deffinitely holds up better here.
Neschen doesn't have that wicked adhesive that I like about Avery, but the material itsself seems about the same toughness. Either way, on a jetski it's gonna get thrashed before it's regular outdoor life.
I used to use a lot of the Enduragloss film from Sign Warehouse. It's real tough stuff... but now signwarehouse went from 15" rolls to 12" rolls so it's useless to me - I'm limited enough as it is with a 15" cutter! PLus I have to wait 4 days for it to be shipped in, while my Avery supplier has it in my hands the next day with regular ground shipping costs.
I've used a little Oracal but not on anything that matters so I couldnt tell you how it holds up.
I use mostly Avery on stuff that needs to hang on tight.
Posted by Brad Ferguson (Member # 33) on :
On awnings, especially large overlays, I prefer Neschen translucent over anything else. It lays better and easier, with fewer bubbles than 3M translucent, and is less prone to tearing. The top surface seems 'soapier,' so dragging a squeegee is easier and less likely to mar. It's initial tack is slower, but on a 4'x110' overlay, that's a good thing.
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I can actually get Avery a little cheaper but convenience and the ability to expedite jobs quicker means I'll go with Neschen.
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