Thanks for this great board and everyone here that helps out.
I have been aske dto quote on a Job and this is the biggest one I have had come to me. A local High school here has an 18 wheeler trailer that they use for there band and I need to turn in a bid on it.
It is currently lettered(worse job I have ever seen) with calandered winyl over rivets. Vinyl is already cracking and in bad shape. Everything is 2 color (purple(background)and gold)
There are 2 lines of Text and a large logo. 1st line of text is 16" high and 28' long 2nd line in 12" by 15' logo is 5' by 4 ' Both sides of trailer to be done.
What would something like this cost ??
What would you charge to letter it if they removed all the old decals?
What should I charge for the old decal removal??
I have worked with rivets before.
What vinyl does everyone prefer??I normally use Arlon.
Posted by M Warren (Member # 2523) on :
P.S.
I already know that another person has bid 1700.00 on it.
This seems to cheap to me, looks like a lot of work just removing the old stuff.
thanks for all help
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
$1,700.00 for removal and lettering? Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Too funny. Let them have the job.
Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Hard to make a call on this one Mickey, without seeing an actual pic of the stuff that has to be removed.
Removing old stuff takes longer than applying new stuff.
I kinda have to agree with Bruce though.
That being said..I regularly do trailers that include removal of existing lettering. I charge $800 for the new stuff and $300 to get rid of the old stuff. BUT it is a regular customer deal and it is 5-15 trailers at a time, so volume discounts work into the equation.
Posted by M Warren (Member # 2523) on :
THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING, 1700 WAS TO CHEAP
Posted by Danny Busselle (Member # 3746) on :
Well for starters you need to get in contact with GAP Graphic Appllied Products, Burbank California And Speak with Ross. He has make what looks like a buffing machine with a rubber Pad the rips tares and lifts up the adhesive, Yes it removes the Adhesivve all this and not hurt the background Paint. Now as for the priceing $2200.00 is about right. If this other guy gets the job at 1700 just Laugh HHHAAaa Isn't going to happen he will call you for help. Posted by M Warren (Member # 2523) on :
Thanks to everyone for all the help. I will be turning in a bid of 2300.00, lets see what happens
Posted by James Donahue (Member # 3624) on :
There is a BIG line I'm starting to draw in situations like this and alot of others.
The line is between new and used. Big, big difference. Used stuff is where it's easy to get into trouble. Newer stuff is much more predictable.
I would separate the job into two parts. The new lettering would be at a price I want to get, UPON CONDITION that it was cleaned up in a satisfactory way.
The removal of old lettering would either be by the hour,(risky because they're not likely to be ready for the resulting price-they'll freak), or I'd give a price that would cover me for unexpected delays. This might cause them to get a summer help kid to remove it.
Think of what could go wrong: paint being destroyed because of vinyl peeling it up, or even mild adhesive removal solvents disolving it.
Be careful with that USED stuff.
Posted by Checkers (Member # 63) on :
Hiya Mickey, I think you're right with calling the other bid low. Just a low ball, shoot from the hip, price, I came up with $1680 for the new HP graphics only. That wouldn't include installation of removal of the old stuff. For a different approach, maybe you can show the band members how to remove all the old stuff and save them some money. Just sell them the Rapid remover & squeegees and let them go at it. As for pricing the new work, I would give them at least 2 prices. One using the correct materials and another using the, apparently, cheap stuff your competitor is quoting - with an explanation for the difference in the price.
Havin' fun,
Checkers
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Sure no one has said a 48' or 53' or the new 56' trailer. Removal of old is based on time.... Steam/Heat/Peel and Pick! Removal of gum........Clean surface! Orginal paint or second paint job. Makes the difference in how you do the job or price and word the contract. Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
I'm with Radar on this one. Never bid removal unless you take off a few letters first. (not in front of the client in case it is too easy ) In my experience removal can range from X amount of time up to 10X or worse.
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) In my experience removal can range from X amount of time up to 10X or worse.