A question for the painters-Is there any other way to place a pattern on a board except by pouncing?Looking for large carbin sheets or a powder that doesn't make a mess.How about spraying a adhesive(light tac)and sprinkling powder on it???????? Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
Hiya Randy!
One way that I've used would be to get a graphite stick, and rub the back of the pattern. Not messy or powdery at all. Then trace the image on your surface.
You would be able to purchase a graphite stick at an art store. At least that's where I got mine many moons ago.
Nettie
Posted by Myra Grozinger (Member # 327) on :
THis may seem simplistic, but I keep a 3x4 foot or thereabouts black carbon paper piece folded up in a safe place. I wear it out periodically so I create a new one about once every year and a half by buying little books of carbon paper and then taping the sheets together to form a large sheet. Sounds anal, but it's worth it to me. Takes less time than you think. I use narrow tape to not impede the flow of lines too much, because as I draw on a pattern with the carbon underneath it, the taped lines will skip the trace in that area. Hope that helps.
Posted by Terry Whynott (Member # 1622) on :
Hi Randy, I bought some graphite paper from Lee Valley not too long ago. It's 12"x144" and pretty cheap. They've opened a location not far from you recently just off Appleby Line.
Hope this helps.
Posted by timi NC (Member # 576) on :
On vehicles we used to use a very light mist of black and or white/grey lacquer,..on enamels you might try a mist of fast drying krylon just lightly dusted.This drys almost as soon as ya shoot it out of the airbrush and will not smudge. I would beware of the adhesive routine you speak of as the adhesive may interact wrong with the paint edge.A hansee(sp?) pounce box will eliminate alot of the mess associated with pouncing but not completely.I personally keep several different colors of chalk for different colored backgrounds and try to keep a small pounce bag as I too hate the mess of chalk and or charcoal associated with pounce patterns,...another alternative is to learn to freehand from scaled drawings,...
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Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
Terry,
I discovered that Lee Valley website over a year ago. Very cool isn't it?
I didn't know they had graphite paper. That's a nice find. Thanks!
I've liked the portability of my graphite stick because it's small, and takes up little space in my kit. But I definately see saving a step with the paper as a big plus!
Neat to learn about new alternatives & resourses from someone elses question. (thanks Randy)
Happens alot on here. Nettie
Posted by Terry Whynott (Member # 1622) on :
My favourite store!
I can spend hours looking through my catalog, dreaming. You should send for one.
They also have re-prints of some sign books.
Nice hardware catalog too.
I'm lucky enough to have 3 locations within an easy drive to shop at.
Posted by Randy Campbell (Member # 2675) on :
Thanks for the fast replies;Terry I too was at Lee Valley last week.Bought my new carving tools.I will try all replies thanks.
Posted by Neil D. Butler (Member # 661) on :
I've bought from lee Valley In Ottawa over 20 years ago, for those hard to find tools, like a Log Notch Gouge, Slicks, Alaskan Mills, Lumber Makers, Scribes, Indellible Pencils, Adz, Broad Axe, Water Stones and everything else to make a nice sign, actually these are all Log Building tools that I purchased from them.. And I tell you they are the "Best" to deal with. They have great Full size wood working plans also.
Posted by Terry Whynott (Member # 1622) on :
Randy, what did you buy for carving tools? Most of mine were from Lee Valley but I'm really regretting it now. I would have bought others if I knew better at the time. Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
One thing that helps me is turning the paper over after pouncing and sanding the back lightly. OPens up the holes a little better. I also rub over the paper with the pounce bag instead of tapping it on there. Makes less mess. Posted by Jeff Ogden (Member # 3184) on :
The neon supply houses have 36"x75' rolls of carbon paper. It's used to transfer neon layouts. I've used this on a few signs, but prefer to pounce. (If black charcoal powder is too messy, mix it 1/2 with baby powder...you get dark grey...works good on most colors. Also on larger stuff I don't pounce the entire line, just a series of dashes (if doing by hand)...or widen the hole spacing if doing by plotter. Carbon paper doesn't always work well on glossy enamels. Rubbing the back of the pattern with graphite or charcoal works good, as Janette mentioned, but I've always favored pouncing.I like the carbon paper when you need small detail on a white primer background, like say if you were going to paint a pictorial or other rendering.
Posted by Ken Henry (Member # 598) on :
For those who are concerned about those "messy" pounce bags, here's a tip that should eliminate a lot of mess. Keep your pounce bags stored in one of those zip-lok sandwich bags. When you want to use it, grip the pounce bag from the outside of the plastic bag, and turn the bag inside out so that your hand is protected from the dust, by the plastic bag. When finished, simply reverse the motion and turn the bag right side out, zip the bag closed, and store back in your kit.
Another tip: When working with patterns in windy conditions, consider using Tyvek, rather than paper for your pattern. It will not tear, and you can use duct tape to hold it in place. Tyvek also won't disintegrate or rip, should it get wet.
Posted by John Lennig (Member # 2455) on :
Hiya Randy, saw your post this am, but was heading out, I see lots of great replies.
Here's my loonies worth...
For "carbon" paper without the oiliness of carbon paper, go to Michaels, a great chain out of the states, they're in Canada too, Saral paper, comes in white, blue,yellow,red, about 11" wide by 25', great for detail tracing.
I like to use a charcoal stick to either run over the perforated lines, or "sideways slide" the stick, to cover more area at once.Lightly. Then wipe over pattern with cloth. No dust clouds.
The electropounce is great too.
What are you paintin'??
John Lennig / SignRider
Posted by Stephen Faulkner (Member # 2511) on :
I have used a stabillo rubbed on paper as a "carbon paper" effect in a pinch... works wicked good!
Posted by Randy Campbell (Member # 2675) on :
John Lennig;I am doing a lot of 24"x36" business and cottage signs.I really enjoyed doing the panel swap and even a house number was fun. Finding the wood can be a challange because i recycle old pine and cedar.Thanks again for all replies.
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
years ago before I had heard of pouncing...I would just draw my pattern and then rub a charcoal stick or white chalk over the back of the design depending on what color sign it was going on.
Posted by Marty Happy (Member # 302) on :
Quite by accident I once discovered that a newspaper page with lot's of black or colour makes an decent 'carbon paper'.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
i buy BLACK TEMPRA paint powder, to use as pounce powder. cheaper then charcoal, and will mix into the paint and not change the color of the paint.
Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
I also use the SARAL graphite paper on rolls bought at any "art supply" comes in a varity of colors! As for the (mess of pounce)lightly sand the REVERSE side of pounce,Rub your powder on,blow off excess from your mouth,set with a mist coat of Hair Spray to take the "MESS" factor out.
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