After noting on site, that some paints do and some do not stick to high pre vinyl... whats the answer? I've used Krylon, and its OK, (Krylon makes the edge of vinyl curl) but is their a manufacter of paint that sticks well to Vinyl, (stands up to car wash), and can be mixed to specified colors...or comes in an aresol can? Is their amanufacturer or can we buy it over the counter? I use Avery and 3M Vinyl High Preformance...What is available? What do you suggest? ThanksRick
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
Anybody use enamel receptive vinyl for fades and stuff?
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
Check Scooterx's post on "the longevity of oneshot" we just discussed everything you want to know on that post. Posted by Rick Whitmire (Member # 3443) on :
Thanks, I did read the post suggested and was hoping there might be a faster , easier way than mixing coatings and paint or screen printing. I went to a show on frog juice and painting and the suggestion then was Krylon.Ive used Krylon (quick & easy) but limited colors... Thanks for your Help Rick
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
Rick, it does NOT get any easier than thinning ink and spraying it onto vinyl. Let me word that another way.. There is no easier way than using screenprinting ink thinned out for spraying.
To use one shot, krylon, createx, auto air, and other paints these are the steps you have to take to make it last:
1. Scuff vinyl to promote adhesion 2. Run vinyl through plotter 3. Wipe vinyl with denatured alcohol, Rapid Prep, or other prep. fluid to remove dirt and oils 4. Spray Tie-cote if using one shot 5. Spray color 6. Spray Clear 7. Weed before all the paint dries up and seals up the cut lines for good. 8. Wait 24 hours to be sure everything is dry. 9. Apply transfer tape and hope that after all that labor the paint doesnt come up with the tape cause then you have to do it all again.
Here's steps for using thinned screenprinting ink:
1.Run vinyl through plotter 2.Wipe vinyl with denatured alcohol, Rapid Prep, or other prep. fluid to remove dirt and oils 3. Spray color 4. After color is sprayed, wait 10 minutes before applying transfer tape 5. Collect your money and walk away smiling cause you KNOW the ink is not gonna fail in the future, it was designed SPECIFICALLY for the task you wanted it to do. Nothing else - whether it's one shot, CRYlon, createx, Aqua flow, deka, Dutch Boy and all the other paints people like to rig up - will work as well and effortlessly as vinyl ink.
Yeah, you can make the paint work OK but you have to be real thorough in your prep of the vinyl otherwise it's going to fail - more labor, more cost, always risk that job coming back to bite ya in the butt.
When everyone knows the cost is in the labor and not the materials, it baffles me why people want to spend the time trying to make inferior materials work as well as a product that costs less and is designed for the task at hand.
As far as colors.. Nazdar GV ink comes in 23 colors plus a few different types of clears for overcoating and tinting. Any other colors you need can be mixed, Nazdar even has color formulas available plus software that ensures matching.
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
Superb explanaton Mike...One got it ...one didn't!
Posted by David Harding (Member # 108) on :
Mike, could you be more clear on the point you were trying to make?
Thank you for the info. I know I'll be getting some Nazdar GV and retiring the CRYlon.
Posted by Rick Whitmire (Member # 3443) on :
Mike, Point gotten...Thanks for the break down, you know I kind of always knew that the inks were the easiest answer but have not to this day tried them ... but I will! In my question , I am always looking for vendors that produce a solution in a can, Thanks Rick
Posted by Rick Whitmire (Member # 3443) on :
Mike, Point gotten...Thanks for the break down, you know I kind of always knew that the inks were the easiest answer but have not to this day tried them ... but I will! In my question , I am always looking for vendors that produce a solution in a can, Thanks Rick
Posted by Robert Thomas (Member # 1356) on :
Why doesn't somebody market Vinyl paint in a spray can? Geez, there is a huge untapped market.
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
Wow Mike... 2 converts in one week!
Good idea on the vinyl shake'n shoot!
Posted by Alan Ackerson (Member # 3224) on :
yeah. No substitute for experience and the facts.
btw. The ink came today, even tossed in a can of reducer. Ready to bust out the mask and start stinkin the place up soon. lol
M and M check your email.
Posted by Sonny Franks (Member # 588) on :
There is a vinyl spray can for painting vinyl upholstery. You can find it at auto parts stores, but in VERY limited color selection.
Posted by Terry Bull Sign & Custom (Member # 1876) on :
I only use screen inks..works for me -never had a failure but you've got to build colour up gently or itll melt the vinyl
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