thanks ken.....i opened the box, took the roll outa the plastic bag, and the smell of the 851 is not unlike any other vinyl. i cut a small strip with an exacto knife...and i played with it, to view its handling...nice stuff,good adhisive, soft, plyable, conformable and the blue liner on the white vinyl is a nice touch. i wll let you know how it cuts and applies with next need for white....so far i think its a 100% improvment over 651...which i still hold my original opinion on it. but i could get to like the 851........and the 15" roll..measures 15"!!!!
[ December 16, 2002, 06:30 PM: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
Joe,you will like the way it cuts. Ive used 3m, Avery, Ameribans,and others, and this cuts and weeds as good or better than most I have used. I intend to use it on a regular basis.
Posted by Arvil Shep' Shepherd (Member # 2030) on :
Have I missed something ???????Where are you guys getting this Free roll of Vinyl ??????? I use Oracal all the time,however I am not aware of the Freebie I have been noticing post on !!!! Shep'
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
I got mine, thanks Ken. Haven't used yet, but will make sure I no which it is when I do.
Posted by Bruce Evans (Member # 44) on :
Why are you comparing a 2.5 mil 651 with cast 851? One wouldn't expect them to be the same, hence the price difference.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
not a comparison of them...but i made a blanket statment about ORACAL...ITS THE 651 I DONT LIKE IT...and i was saying that 851 is more what i feel a vinyl should be like.....
Posted by Kenneth Sandlin (Member # 3014) on :
You're welcome Joe! I'm sure you will like 851, it's a phenomenal product. 100% splice free.
A neat test is cutting a 3" x 5" or so rectangle of any vinyl film and leaving it unweeded on the liner. After 3-7 days compare how much shrinkage you see between different films. After a month, I still see no shrinkage on 851, but I won't mention the other brands I tested Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
As much bitchin as you did I'm surprised they sent you anything
See Ken...my awkword post brought you a new customer...please send the commission to... Posted by Kenneth Sandlin (Member # 3014) on :
Thanks Monte, the check is in the mail
Old Paint has always been a challenge to me since he was so dead-set against Oracal. 651 made a bad first impression on him, as we all know
Joe, thanks for trying 851 with an open mind!
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
HI there....I was 'one of those' who didn't like Oracal due to the 651 series too. But I have to say....the 851 is much much better!! Thanks Kenneth, for putting up with those of us who weren't so happy in the beginning. I will use your 851 series. Thanks again.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
ken..you still didnt answer the screwy length of the roll problem that i have with 651, all 20" rolls are 19.5......will that be the same on the 851?
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
OP....I was wondering that also. Those of us who have older Rolands have a hard time with the shorter rolls that Oracal makes.
Posted by Kenneth Sandlin (Member # 3014) on :
The 20" rolls are actually manufactured at the European standard of 500mm which converts to 19.685". We list it here at the US 20" standard because it is so close.
And unfortunately, 851 won't be available in 20" only 15, 24, 30, & 48 I'm sorry, don't kill me.
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