I try to expand my horizons by learning new stuff as often as I can. When I saw the step by step that Glenn wrote I thought I would try them in my software. And yes, one of the reasons I tried them because I thought it was an excellent design. However, my original thought was NOT, "Hey, I should steal this design". It was a good design and a well written how to and I simply followed the steps. After I created it using "Pete's Auto Body" I logged off the internet and continued playing with the design. I changed the colors, changed the text, tried making up and saving my own "Gold Chrome" settings in Eye Candy 4000 which I use all the time anyway. I played with it for hours. Introduced "noise" into the background of some of the shapes to add texture. On and on, trying different things and generally just having a good time. At no point was I trying to design a new logo for myself, I was just playing and learning. Days later I re-opened the file to look at it again, made a few more changes, thought it looked cool and put it on my website. Honestly I didn't think anything about it until I saw all of these posts. Even though it looks almost identical to Glenn's original (and even I'll admit that) I had spent so much time working on it and playing with it it never occurred to me how similar it still looked to Glenn's. If I had intended to copy the idea for a new logo I probably would have been smart enough to change it more than I did. So after reading all the other posts, some personal reflection, and taking full advantage of my incredibly clear 20-20 hindsight vision, here's the bottom line. I Rob Ivers did steal Glenn's ideas (with no malice intended, I was just taking advantage of the free How to's published on this website), I did phone Glenn and apologize, I did remove the logo from my website and I do apologize to anyone else I offended in the process.
Posted by KEN SCOTT (Member # 2979) on :
Yea, I agree with you. I did the how-to also.. It was actually the first thing I did on my edge because it looked cool... I thought that was what how to were for.. I even use the sign for a sample here at the shop. (COME ON> all that work just to chuck it in the garbage.... It's not like you called pete and asked for his business....(Well, Thats just my 2 cents on the matter.. -) Ken
Posted by Bob Gilliland (Member # 28) on :
Rob,
Don’t know if it was any of my business knowing about this situation. Since it was brought out into the public here in Letterville, I appreciate you taking the time to publicly state your position on the matter after having discussed it with Glenn privately.
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Good for you Bob!
Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
Takes a pretty big man to apologize publicly to ANYTHING!(right or wrong)
Posted by Mark Smith (Member # 298) on :
Right ON!
Rob, you and Glenn are both heroes of mine, so I'm glad this got worked out.
Now kiss and make up. Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Wow! Glenn...after all that....you offer him your sister??
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Yeah.....Lucy is the one we don't talk about. Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
Si, you kill me! You're a good man Rob.
Posted by John Thompson (Member # 2750) on :
At least it wasn't a chicken...............
Posted by Jeffrey Vrstal (Member # 2271) on :
Very good form. Glad to see this worked out in a professional manner.
Posted by Christian (Member # 66) on :
Need to say this before I lay me down to sleep:
I've known Rob for many years and had the opportunity to see much of his many-splendored talent in operation. To whomever said in the previous spate of posts (over the tempest in a teapot )that Rob was just an "applicator" and not a designer..... Phpppphst (Raspberry) Rob has a great deal of talent, much more so than most of the so-called signmakers I have met (and believe me, after eighty-odd trade shows, I've met a few). He could teach anyone a few things (if not a lot) about the industry and doing the business, and that says a lot. I have seen numerous designs of his, and been very impressed with his deisgn capabilities...
Uh, that's it. Rob, hope the check's in the mail....
Christian (The DAL Guy)
Posted by Jackson Smart (Member # 187) on :
....Good....Now I can finally breathe. Posted by FranCisco Vargas (Member # 145) on :
Like they say...it takes a bold MAN to admit his intentions. I tip my hat to Rob and Glenn, glad it's solved.
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