was havin my mornin coffee, turned on hgtv....some lady on there doin artsy-fartsy paintin on things like RUBBERMAID trash cans. well up to now i aint seen nothing stick to this stuff. as i watched she put a primer coat on the plastic of ...SHELAC BASED PRIMER...the old ZINZER BULLS EYE....and then she paints flowers and stuff on it!!!! this is about the same material as the baseball helmets...and nothin sticks to them. just thought if anyone has doen this and applied vinyl or painted on em?
Posted by Mike McCloud (Member # 766) on :
sticky letter stuff will stay faily well if you flash it with a propane touch just prior to applying the shelf paper.............
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
Ever notice that Rubbermade and Tupperware never print or paint onn their own product?
There must be a reason:)
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Any bets that the shellac doesn't stay on very well? Remember...Crafts Show People have to keep comming up with something new....doesn't mean it is meant for hard use!
Want to stick someting to poly?? Use plain old solvent based contact cement!!!!
Posted by Bill Modzel (Member # 22) on :
Gerber has a new vinyl called PermaGrip. Seems to adhere very well. I did a kayak with it a few weeks ago and screwed up one letter on a compoud curve. It was as hard to get off as normal vinyl on a normal surface. I did flash off the surface with the torch first though.
Posted by Jon Butterworth (Member # 227) on :
Clean the poly first. I use vinyl prep wash. Then wipe on ESP with a clean rag and when dry, wipe it off.
ESP is made by the Flood Company in USA .... same company that makes "Penetrol". It was formulated to make enamel paints stick to ceramic glazed tiles. I use it on any surface, plastic, glass or metal where I want to ensure the paint sticks! Especially helmets!!!!!
Posted by Troy Haas (Member # 472) on :
I got a buddy who owns a one-man body shop. He is a big Dodge guy and drives only Ram pick up trucks. He had me cut some of the 'Ram Heads" in 3 different sizes and said it could be any color. I inquired what he was using them on and he told me he was appling them to the tail lights and head light covers. He then painted the lens to match the vehicle color and then he removed the vinyl so the brake/head lights would shine thru the ram heads. I asked how he got the paint to stick and he shows me this spray can, called either "Bulldog" or "Bulldog Something" I can't remember now, but he said any auto body supply house has it. You spray it on and let dry, just a few minutes and the plastic part will now hold paint.
Can't say for how long, but he did his truck 2 years ago and it is still sticking. Dave Grundy, have you heard of this stuff?????
[ June 19, 2002, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Troy Haas ]
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
I used to mix "retarder" with some lacquer type clear, sprayon door jambs where you never can sand everywhere.
These were "production jobs, not custom work, but it did make the paint adhere better.
There are a number of products made to spray on plastics for better grip to flexability.
Roger Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Troy...Sorry, I can't say that I have heard of anything by that name. But I know that there is something that works because I am seeing more and more "color co-ordinated" tail lights around here. I haven't painted a vehicle for about 8 years so I am falling way behind in my knowledge of current paint technology. Well I did paint Shirl's back bumper last year.but that was just a bumper! LOL
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
AHHH but Dave, it was a "rubber bumper", you must know what your doin !! He he he he he
Roger Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
Troy,you're right it's BULLDOG,it's adhesion promoter...just about any paint line designed for automtive use has an adhesion promoter in their line and just like anything some are better than others,bulldog isn't too bad. The trick with all the adhesion promoters is to use the exact label amount,if you put it on too heavy/too much it will keep itself from sticking,kinda cannibalizes itself....also some have a slight acid content that can do nasty things if you're not expecting it. Also alot of manufacturers buy/design parts etc to excrete an oil(too simplify what happens) when they're heated/hit with solvent etc...keeps anything from sticking or being repaired so that you have to buy a new part. All those additives regardless if they're added to or sprayed over tend to kill the gloss and affect the shade of the color some what,especially over time more so than right away...just something to keep in mind if you're trying to repaint or reletter something using them.
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