I lettered my shop landlords boat last year. Custom painted on vinyl, applied, then cleared with Pelucid. He says the side that gets alot of sun is starting to peel. Any tried and true methods-adhesives to repair slightly peeling vinyl? It would be expensive to just replace that side due to the artwork involved. Thanks
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
shoulda painted the whole thing on the boat...no vinyl....3m auto emblem glue....works great..a little on a q-tip...all done
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Robert,did you apply it with soap&water? Dry?.
What type of vinyl?
What or how did you clean boat?
Roger Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Fixing this problem is one thing, avoiding it in the future is quite another !!
Roger Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
I will say that "Plucid" is great product on, Solid Signs.. (HDU, Redwood or Cedar Blanks), ETC.
But on a Soft Substrate as (Vinyl) it doesn't work.
It is going to dry hard and is working against the adhesives of the Vinyl.
It doesn't breath but only cures as hard and tightens the surface it's on!
Pulling it all back as a Orange Peel Effect.
(Sorry Pierre.)
But Robert you have to use a clear that with Bond with your paints, plus Elastisize with the Vinyl. Surface. In its Hot and Cold climates.
It is working against the bond of the Vinyl.
Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
Don't be sorry. Stephen. You're wrong. Pelucid stays permanently elastic. If the adhesive bond of the film fails, so will anything on top of it. It doesn't "tighten" the surface it's on. The described application is a very common one for us. The Pelucid can't "pull the film back" at all. The problem is his initial application.
Posted by Jay Nichols (Member # 2842) on :
Another possibility-- if you cut the vinyl before you sprayed it, and you are using enamel paint, solvents in the paint can migrate through the cut and weaken the adhesive at the edges (even more likely to happen if you have thinned it for spraying). It is impossible to tell this has happened until the edges begin to separate from the substrate at some later date. If you use a vinyl primer such as One Shot that requires pre-etching with lacquer thinner, always wipe the vinyl before cutting.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
Ok guys,
I lettered a boat last year that had a gel coat that was less than showroom condition. when I lettered it the vinyl stayed but under use came off very easy.
It was nothing more than a bad prep. Now all that means is I didn't know enough about gel coat to see that the gel-coat had oxydized way too much.
That might be a reason why, but hopefully someone knows enough about gel-coat and can butt in here.
Posted by Rick (Member # 373) on :
what type of paint did you use for the custom painting? I would like to find a fix for this problem too. ive seen the edges of vinyl curl up a bit using automotive ureathane basecoat with a laquer clear, but not an enamel based clear. the laquer seems to be the culprit as it has harsher solvents I'm sure.
How to fix it? I dont know the best way, but i've used clear ureathane with hardner, brushed it on the edges and rolled the edges down when it starts to dry. It worked when applied, but i dont know if it held up, was done about a year ago. Dang, i hate experimentin, but dont know any other way.
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Hello, calling Robert T., Hello, Hello
Roger Posted by Robert Thomas (Member # 1356) on :
O.K. Here is more information. I used a 5 year vinyl, scuffed with a 3M pad, sprayed with Krylon as a base coat, then used One Shot for the other colors. It's a graphic of a dolfin, handcut after spraying with Krylon. I used RT II to apply it. I've used Pelucid on vinyl before with no problems. Used it here to increace durability, also when I painted the Pelucid, I over lapped the graphic a bit. The boat was pretty new and I used a wax remover and washed the area also. I think it might be the Krylon causing the problem.
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
OR, the "wax remover" some of them (solvent base/petrolium)will bite in to paint or gelcoat,only to return to the surface(outgas)after you have applied vinyl or paint !!
This may not ALWAYS happen, but the "stage is set" when you combine "interactive components/products", and sometimes(with the right conditions/temp./humidity,cure time) you will have a problem !
I could be wrong
Roger Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
A "5 Year" vinyl? It wouldn't happened to have been a calendared vinyl would it? If so, I know what your problem is, the cause, and how to fix it.
Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
I've only known Roger to be wrong ONE time. That's when he was right and thought he was wrong.
heh
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Thank youins, thank yous very much, one & all !!
Pierre, I always knew you "secretly" liked me !!
Roger Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Yeah,yeah, its probably that "Vanilla fragrence thing". or my "pink shirt", maybe my "Bubbely personality", I always knew Pierre.
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