That's what I had a moron tell me last week. I DO carve in the round, and, as any real carver can tell you, it's MUCH easier carving in the round than to get the same effect with relief carving. You'd be amazed at how many in-the-round carvers can't pull off a good relief carving. Getting all of the depth and perspective with a relief carving is infinitely more difficult than carving in-the-round, so don't let some moron deflate you with stupid comments about what "real" carving is.
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
Hahahahahahaha YOU tell em Pierre
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
And carving in-the-round would be?................
a circular room with a dome cieling? maybe? Hmmmm?
Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
That would be a naked fat guy with a chisel.
Posted by bronzeo (Member # 1408) on :
Isn't that what Michael Jackson is singing about Billie Jean?
[ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: bronzeo ]
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Sorry Pierre
Were did this issue come from?
Cup carving is very easy to do and Relief as you say takes on a whole knew additude.
Design.Dimensions and Depth.. -------------------------------------------------- After reading on I realized I was saying one thing to another.
I was thinking about inverted on flat sufaces work
Straight Cut 90 degree sides of graphics or lettering.
Cup Cut or Round Belved U channel inlay to letters or graphics.
Reverse Bevel Cut Reverse V-Grove or Round/Cup cut.
V-Grove V-Channel chisel to lettering.
Relief 3-D carving inlay to surface.
Round I see it now as a full 360 3-D Images.
I will leave my foot right were it's at! My Mouth.....
[ January 27, 2002: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]
Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
Came from an email. Someone (a supposed in-the-round carver) had visited our website. He'd not seen any of my full carvings because I have none posted there. It's a signage website, not a forum for my other artwork. His comment was based on the assumption that I didn't do in the round carvings. He was wrong, but I didn't respond to his email, but it did make me aware that aspiring relief carvers might think that the artform is somehow inferior. It's not. It's SUperior when properly executed. I'll be taking a few pics of my son's first large relief carving project in the next day or so. Two 8'x12' carvings with wildlife, trees, mountains, water...........all the usual norwesty schtuff. This project proved to me that Latigo has it naturally within him.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
OK OK! now we have cup carving?
Yuz all gawn an guts me all cunfused!
A Naked fat guy with a cup trying to use it as a chisel!
For fun lets add that he's covered in peanut oil and in a round room with a domed cieling full of Rats!
Who would have thought?
I'm assuming that in-the-round carving would be v- carving letters or maybe a slight relief of an object? No?
[ January 27, 2002: Message edited by: Bob Rochon ]
Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
Rob, in-the-round carving is carving an object completely..........360 degrees, as in a free standing statue, or a carousel horse.
Oops.........I meant, BOB, of course.
[ January 27, 2002: Message edited by: pierre ]
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
In-The-Round....
Hey, I've learned something new tonight.
Except now my "mind's eye" has gone blind visualizing Pierre carving in the buff. Thanks a heap for that one Pierre.
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
Glenn....Pierre was talking about OldPaint, not himself!
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
Oh geez-louise.....just when my sight started coming back.
Somebody slap Si for me!
Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
I can't remember the name of that program you guys use for that bas-relief carving? Does it require the use of a dongle, or can it be pirated?
Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
Dare I ask what the heck a "dongle" is??
Posted by Mark Neurohr (Member # 2470) on :
DON'T LOOK DOWN!! Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
Actually I tend to look straight ahead.
Posted by Curtis hammond (Member # 2170) on :
Dongle.... short for Dongleberry. A poisonous parasitic growth found on the back of certain binary controlled equipment. Beleived to be caused by One Shot paint fumes. Is often found in conjuction with vinyl fumes.. Highly disliked by all victims. Symptoms of dongleberry poisoning includes fits of rage causing nearly fatal temper tantrums..
Posted by Michael Boone (Member # 308) on :
Bob Rochon, the correct terminology would be......
Whould'a thunk it......
What's wrong with you anyhoo?
Posted by VICTORGEORGIOU (Member # 474) on :
Hey Pierre, I can carve a steak with the best of you! Vic G
Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
Relief or in-the-round??
Posted by Joe Cieslowski (Member # 2429) on :
I hope it's not too late to get serious about relief carving as I would like to share an idea.....Relief carving is done in 3 D imension. The problem is that you don't get the whole third D. You have actual length and height but you don't have the whole depth! Therefore a relief carver must relie on the same illusionary techniques as someone who creates a three dimensional scene in two dimensions. I have found that folks who are profecient in three dimensional presentations will succeed in presenting relief carvings. The best example I can think of is Mike Lavalee's first carving that is pictured in so many of the pression board ads...pretty good start, Mike!!!!! We can keep this going on a serious note if you wish or I'll take mine medium well, and I will carve in relief. Can I have an order of fries on the side? Joe, Makin Chips and Havin Fun! Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
Typically we do a lot of undercutting.
Posted by Jackson Smart (Member # 187) on :
Hey....I know a shop down the road that excells in "undercutting" Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
On several of my relief carvings that have been on the smaller side, I've eliminated the undercuts so I could make a mold and cast several others for differing uses.
I don't know how you feel about duplicate carvings, I like doing it only once.
Posted by pierre (Member # 1462) on :
Me too, Rick.
Posted by Joe Cieslowski (Member # 2429) on :
Rick, When you say you only like doing it once, are you talking about doing it once and then molding it so that you can pour another to be used on another sign? Piere, you 2? If The answer is yes, how many molds have you accumulated over the years and how often do you go to the well and cash in again? I always felt that through this process, you could really pay yourself over and over again for a job well done! Joe, Makin Chips and Havin Fun! Posted by Rosemary (Member # 1926) on :
Dad's gone to bed. He gets up at 4am, besides he was mad. I cool off faster. Anyway, I know he meant that he doesn't like to do them more than once. We've talked about this before. Some company wanted him to carve "Angel Headboards" for kids' beds and make moulds from the originals. He wouldn't do it. He doesn't like seeing his stuff reproduced. :^)
Posted by Joe Cieslowski (Member # 2429) on :
I'm with you on that one Pierre! I was approached a while back to carve sign blanks that would be molded and sold to the industry....when I asked them about royalities they decided to look elseware. I was just wondering if anyone made molds of a carved aplique that could be used again and again on thair own designs. Francias Lestigney, from NY, who carves in mahogany, molded an aplique that he used on a tavern sign so he wouldn't have to make duplicate carvings for the other side....he has since used the same aplique on a diffrent sign! Gettin paid twice for your work sounds good to me! Hope you are feeling better Pierre! Joe, Makin Chips and Havin Fun! Posted by VICTORGEORGIOU (Member # 474) on :
There's a fellow out here who hand carves and then casts copies. His name is Doug Stewart. He does excellent work, and his advertising is by word of mouth. He always has more business than he can handle, and he aint cheap.
He was based here (Concord) for a long time. Then he figured out that his business was not dependent on location. So he bought a place on Lake Berryessa. Now he can carve out by the lake in good weather.
He told me he was too much of a perfectionist to have to make signs over when they fail for whatever reason. So he carves a master and gives the customer a copy. Then if a replacement is needed, he casts another one and finishes it.
I doubt that he does this for every single job, but it does make great sense for things like golf course signs that take a lot of sun and water and possibly ball strikes.
I admire people who really have their act together the way Doug does.
