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Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
This system has a Pentium III 500 CPU, 128mgs RAM, 12gb hard drive and I'm thinking that it needs more RAM. It's really getting slow and "insufficient recources" keeps popping up along with other problems.
How much memory do you have on your system?

Thanks
 


Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
 
Ram is dirt cheap these days. I just upgraded my home computer to the full 768 megs (3 sticks of 256 ram).

Just a few weeks ago, the 3 sticks were $25 apiece. I think they are back up to about $35 each.

Just a note of caution. There is a limit to how much ram your motherboard can hold, so be sure to find out before you order anything.
 


Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
 
512 Meg on my main computer. 800 mhz processor.

Laptop is 450 mhz processor with 192 meg ram.

To add to what Glenn said...Make sure that the memory sticks are compatable with each other as well.
 


Posted by Bill Preston (Member # 1314) on :
 
Hi, Wayne,

If this has been a gradual slow down, insufficient RAM may not be the problem. You may want to defrag your hard drive, and/or clean off your temp internet files. Sort of an electronic tune-up. There is also something called "history" which keeps track of where you have been on the web. This can be set to only one day. The point here is this-- Who cares where you visited two or three weeks ago? It is just useless information taking up space and resources.

If you still find you need more RAM, be sure that what you add is compatible with what is already on board. Not all RAM is created equal. Mixing brands is almost guaranteed to give problems. Also, there are various types of RAM to be had-- SDRAM, RDRAM, something called double-data RAM, and so on.

My own 'puter is aP2 450 MHz with 192 RAM, and by doing the tune up thing often, it still scoots along as well as it did when I first got it a couple of years ago.

This is an area that I wouldn't touch myself, because I don't know what I am doing inside a 'puter tower. Best left to a 'puter guru.

Hope this is some help.

[ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: Bill Preston ]


 
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
 
Hi,

I have 512 mb of ram on both my Pentium 3 933mhz (Dell) and my AMD 1.2 ghz (built that one myself)

If you are running Adobe Illustrator you definately want as much ram as you can get - it's a notorious resource hawg. Photoshop requires a substantial amount too, expecially when you start using filter plugins, etc.

Glenn hit the nail on the head...they're almost giving ram away now....load it up...you'll never regret it. 128mb is not that much these days.

As I understand it, sometimes an installed program will get "memory leaks" somehow and drain your resources more quickly than it should. If you find this happens with a particular program, it might be adviseable to uninstall that program and then reinstall it.

Also...as I understand it.....Windows XP and Windows 2000 don't have the resource limitations that Win95 has. Supposedly, you won't drain your resources with those OS's.

The last two paragraphs above is what I have been told...I could be wrong....and someone more knowledgeable than I might want to correct those statement.
 


Posted by Diane Crowther (Member # 120) on :
 
Some RAM prices are going up now. I just called about upgrading my Mac G4 and the price this week is almost double what it was last week. 256K is $190 Cdn, up from $100 Cdn last week. Figures I'd get around to it just as it's climbing up .

I have 512K on my PC for running OMEGA and Edge; 192K on one MAC, 80K on the other MAC.

Glenn is right about the matchmaking part of it. And if your computer is using old style RAM, the prices may not be as good as today's style RAM.

Thanks, Bill, for the note on the History file. I checked and mine is set to 30 days. I almost never refer to it and I can imagine how big it is with the amount of surfing I do in a month! And defraging regularly does help.
 


Posted by Dan Sawatzky (Member # 88) on :
 
Ram is good!!

I use Photoshop a lot and it likes RAM

I just got a new machine las week. 1.8 gig processor and 768 DDRAM. This puppy howls!


I don't think you can have too much ram as long as your computer can handle it.
-dan
 


Posted by Rob Larkham (Member # 2105) on :
 
1 gig processor...512 megs ram
 
Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
 
I'm with Bill on this one Wayne, if your machine is "getting slow" there's problems other than not having enough RAM.

Which version of Windows are you using and how long has it been since the hard drive was last reformatted and the system rebuilt?

It could just be Windows loading up and needing a fresh start - you'd be surprised what a difference wiping the entire system clean, reformatting the drive, and rebuilding it can make. This is my first suspiscion.

Do you have Norton software running in the background? If so, kill it. All those little Norton monitors, warning and prompts suck up system resources. Norton used to be good back when DOS was the big thing but since Win95 came out, it's been junk. Besides that, Microsoft ripped off Norton Utilities and included it with their OS so you already have the disk utilities on your machine.

What other software do you have running in the background? You might have programs running and not even know about it.
Click on "Start" -> "Run" then type in 'msconfig' and click OK. Go to the "startup" tab and everything in that list is currently running on your computer. Some of the items in the list might be unidentifiable to you, but the ones you might recognize and know you dont need running can be unchecked.

Otherwise, a RAM upgrade never hurts. I have 256MB in my Dell laptop and am considering goin the full 512 MB while RAM is cheap. I havent had any problems with the laptop slowing down at all, in fact I've tried and tried to crash it, opening all my graphics software at once, opening 200MB Raster Images in Photoshop, even printing (which can bring any windows system to its knees) with no avail.. the sucker wont go down! but may as well do it while the memory is cheap and still available for my particular laptop.

Here at the office I do contract work at, I use a 1.4GHz system running Windows 2000 and 384 MB of RAM. Yesterday I managed to bring the entire system to an absolute hault, then the unevitable crash.. 100% CPU usage, 100% RAM usage and the Virtual Memory file was full too (they have it limited to 165 MB with administrator login required to change it.) I was just printing some CAD drawings. LOL!
 


Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
 
wayne...you dont say what version of window you got....128 is suffencient for everyday sign cutting operations.....your problem is not in the amount of ram but the programs on the hard drive...do you have win fax on it...there is one problem...it will eat sys resources as soon as you start the computer if it is set to start in your start program file. corel also depending on version, like dan says photoshop loves ram...but only if you open the program will it be used. get norton utilities, best defrag out there. empty temp and internet files, then run norton...will bring you up to speed then if you still get out of memory message reinstal you windows....you may have lost some info in an uninstall you did....iam runnin a amd 350 128 ram and a voodoo 32 meg vid card....and this puppy zooms....their is another thing to check is you video card and its settings....also the 12 gig h/d how full is it...you need at least 1-2 gig empty for a swap file.....

[ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: old paint ]

[ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: old paint ]


 
Posted by Brian (Member # 39) on :
 
I have three machines, two of which I just built. 1.4 AMD's with 1 gig RAM, awesome for Photoshop. You mention a 12G hard drive - I have 12 Gigs of drawing files alone so you might want to increase that. If you hard drive is more than half full it will make your machine run slower. Your machine will use the hard drive space as virtual memory and create a swap drive, a big hard drive or even two will make it scream. This is of course in conjunction with all of the advice you got above, not reason to repeat it...
 
Posted by Brad Farha (Member # 931) on :
 
128 on one machine and 64 on the other. No probs.
 
Posted by Larry Presnell (Member # 265) on :
 
AMD 1.2 Gig, 75 Gig HD., 768 Megs pc 133. Starting to build AMD 1900XP with 2 512 sticks of DDR.
Larry
 
Posted by Bill Preston (Member # 1314) on :
 
Wayne,

Just to add to the confusion-- I would argue a bit with Mike P, on the Norton issue. I have the utilities version, and it runs all the time, with all those indicators showing on the desktop. Trust me, they are handy to have as far as keeping track of everything from internet connection speed, to virtual memory availability, usable or empty hard drive space, disk errors, percentage of file fragmentation, etc. The file fragmentation indicator is especially useful, in that you know right now if excessive fragmentation has occured, and you can fix it before things get out of hand. The point there is with a lot of fragging, your system is wasting time chasing file fragments all over your hard drive.

I haven't noticed any system slowing even with Norton always on, and I wouldn't do without it.

Reformatting your hard drive is something I don't know beans about, so no help there.

You also didn't say which version of windows you are running-- Win XP it is said requires at least 128 Mb of Ram to run at all. The other versions I guess require less, but, they still take quite a lot.

Going back to the electronic tune-up, I think you will find your system will show noticeable performance improvement if you do this on a regular basis. Spell that as "often" say once a week.

Hope this helps.
 


Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
 
Dell 933mhz 512 ram; came with 256 meg.

I bought another 256 and didn't notice much of a difference unless rendering things with Eye Candy or something like that.

I also used to have Norton Utilities running all of the junk. I since only use the email scanning because it really does hog the machine.

Best prices I have seen lately are at www.crucial.com
 


Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
Joe, Bill, I'm running Windows 98.

I started running defrag about 2:00PM but it would run for awhile and start over again. The highest it got the last time was about 44% at about 6:30PM. Is my AVG virus scan, running in the background, causing this?
 


Posted by David Wright (Member # 111) on :
 
The system I use with my Summa cutter is a Dell PIII, 450 with 128 meg of ram. I have never had memory resource problems until I upgraded to Signlab E6, which invariable will bring the system down to a halt with some of its internal crashes.
Rebooting is the only solution and adding more memory wouldn't help this a bit, but maybe Cadlink could and possibly a more stable OS such as Windows 2000.
 
Posted by Bill Preston (Member # 1314) on :
 
Hi, Wayne,

I also run Win 98, first edition, but with a lot of patches, updates, etc. downloaded from Microsoft's website. So far, it has been pretty stable.

If you let Norton run, it can be set to do what amounts to system maintenance on whatever schedule you want. You can also close out your programs until all you have showing is whatever is on your desktop. Then go to start, programs, accessories, system tools. At that point, you can do a Maintenance Wizard dealie which does several different items. Scandisk, disk cleanup, defrag, and supposedly "speeds up your most frequently used programs." Or, you can opt to do the same items one at a time. This is built into Windows.

I think the Norton version does a better job of keeping the system running smoothly than Windows. I have had a lot less of the "blue screens of death" since I started using the Norton setup. Have also had the start and start over bit with Win doing the defrag. See if the Norton doesn't do it better.

Hope this helps.
 


Posted by Del Badry (Member # 114) on :
 
If your having a problem with the defrag.. hit control alt delete. and close out all programs except explorer and sys tray.. you may want to turn off any screen savers...

I like my norton Utilities with win 98,, anytime it starts to burp, i run the utilites. manually like win doctor and system check...


My desktop is aduron 800 with 256 ram and 64 meg video card dual display... ibm laptop with PIII 900 with 192 ram...
 


Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
 
wayne ...you need to close all virus programs befor running norton....it should ask you to do that befor you start defrag....if you need i can come over there......i just built wife a new 900 athlon, got a computer here from sarasota, that dont work and iam waiting for a laptop from asheville n.c. which got ate by a virus...i fixem pretty good....
 
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
Thanks Bill sounds like that Norton utilities is pretty nice. I might need to get that.
Been running around like a headless chicken today.
I'm going to try closing everything in startup like Mike says, along with that virus program again and running defrag. If it don't work this time Joe, I'll come to Pensacola and get ya. Gonna be down for awhile. I'll let y'all know how it goes. Thanks everyone!
 
Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
It worked!
2 hours 18 minutes
Reckon it was "fragmented"?

I used to run defrag occasionally on my old system with Win 95 but I think it's the first time on this one. I also used to check the percentage of fragmentation in Win 95. How do you do it in Win 98?
 


Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
 
i am running an old dell optiplex GXpro with a measley 128 mgs ram.

my computer doesn't "scream", it whines a lot though.

it works well for my uses.


mark flintstone
 


Posted by EPatzer (Member # 135) on :
 
Running Macs, G3&G4, both with 1gig RAM and G4 with 100gigs of storage, and G3 with 60gigs of HD space... Photoshop memory allocation set to 440,000K of ram... Rockin!
 
Posted by Bill Preston (Member # 1314) on :
 
Hi, Wayne,

I don't remember how to check % of fragmentation in Win 98, and I should. But, if you let Norton Utilities show on your desktop, one of the indicators shows the % of non-fragmented HD.You can also select which indicators will show, and which will not.

Several of the indicators look like a stoplight, green is healthy, yellow caution, red there is a problem. Some of the others look like a speedometer i.e. internet connection speed, disk throughput, and so on.

Hope this helps.
 


Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
HAHA...Mark Flintstone and his Dellasaurus....from Rockgomery.....yabba dabba dooooo

Thanks Bill, I might need to get that Norton program.
Thanks everyone.

[ January 11, 2002: Message edited by: Wayne Webb ]


 


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