I have a chunk of burgandy sumbrella sitting in the shop to be logo'd (90% sure it's sumbrella ... the thick canvasy stuff)
I need to logo it in a metallic gold. Any ideas on an ink/paint I can use THAT WONT TARNISH outdoors, long term.
I can paint it/roll/spray/screen it... no vinyl. I can get tons of inks to stick but they are bronze powder based (craps out outdoors).
Is there a non-tarnishing powder I can add to clear ... how about maybe a golden glass powder ... can't leaf canvas can ya?
Don't need superior golden briliance, just a shiny goldish that lasts. Any ideas? Thanks
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Mark, I have just what you need but I've already copywrited the process and hate to sue you after you used it. Sorry!
Posted by Mark Matyjakowski (Member # 294) on :
?????????? Joey, I have just what you need but I've already smoked it in the process and hate to see you after you used it. Thanks Anyway!
Posted by kevinlandry (Member # 1352) on :
Hi Mark
How about making the goldfish on another substrate and attaching it to the canvas? You probably thought of this but anything I think of would fall apart. Another way might be an epoxy. Make your shape on the canvas with epoxy and then gold leaf the epoxy. That stuff is pretty stable. Just brainstorming.
Posted by Rich Stebbing (Member # 368) on :
I have used Metallic sign paints on awnings after base-coating with poster enamels. White poster enamel with some yellow added to it created a base coat that worked for me. I really can't say about the longevity though, as they are many circumstances which can dictate that.
Posted by Kevin L. Kleinhans (Member # 1263) on :
I have screen printed mettalic gold on banners. We also do it on t shirts, I would use the t-shirt inks, but it has to be baked on. If you are printing on a dark material, I would first lay down a base of white first. To use the mettalic inks you would use a mesh count that is less so the openings would be larger. I would talk to your supplier for these inks and go bye their recommendations.. Good luck
Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
I'm not sure I would do that, Kevin. Sunbrella shrinks when it is brought up to 320f. It shrinks a lot.
I agree with laying down a white base first if the fabric is dark. The problem is finding a metallic that won't tarnish outdoors. I've tried using metallic plastisols, but they darken considerably within a year. They also have a tendency to crack rather easily if the ink is applied to heavily.
One thought is to use a water-based or air-dried textile ink such as Nazdar's AquaPrint-2. If you do, you will need to consider adding Nazdar's AQ57 antiwick. That's because Sunbrella has a water-repellent coating. You will also need to look at adding Nazdar's AquaCat AQ58. This will help to achieve necessary fastness levels.
Another option is to follow the above step-by-step, and then use an airbrush to create highlights and the illusion of a metallic surface.
Posted by Mark Matyjakowski (Member # 294) on :
Thanks for the advise, I usually use the DA ink or plastisols with additives for this sort of thing but not the metallics (or powder in clears) and manufacturers say not recomended for outdoor ... you know ... the way the metallics look on t-shirts after a number of washings. Have already checked with Ulano, Blackhawk, Naz-Dar, Ink-design and numerous suppliers ... no solid recomendations... So I ask here. I have a few ideas I might test. Maybe skim out some Goldschlager and take it from there.
------------- Glen, ya snuck in as I was typing ... good step-x-step, permaflex huh? I'll look into that
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Mark Matyjakowski ]
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
No problem here in the Hawaiian sun with Naz Dar DA series 2 part catalyst epoxy screen printing ink with Creslite gold powder added. Just did a sunbrella awning for Lassen Galleries last month. Done others with silver as well. I agree with the printing white first.
