Hello, I'm Looking for a clipart of that little guy peeing on ford, chevy, etc. logo's, Any help where I can locate it would be appreciated. Thanks and Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!! Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Hahahhaah........ That was exactly the same question I was asking myself when I opened this thread ..........WHY ?? Posted by VICTORGEORGIOU (Member # 474) on :
It must be California. You see the little Bart Simpson images doing their thing on vehicle windows, mostly pickups, all the time. We never did them and have no idea who did, however. Vic G
Posted by Bruce Evans (Member # 44) on :
I believe the little guy is Calvin.
Posted by John Zant (Member # 1619) on :
damn....you know one of the reasons waterson quit drawing calvin was he didn't want to license him out for crapola....and this rip off of his art is the ultimate in crapola....not to rip you guy....but if you can't draw calvin then maybe you're in the wrong business
Posted by Harvie Loomis (Member # 1635) on :
Interesting! I just found a guy on eBay selling vector images that include the pee(Calvin)kid. Send me your email address Todd and I will forward the info to you.
Posted by Harvie Loomis (Member # 1635) on :
Just noticed your address. Info on the way.
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
we got em here....prayin in front of a cross....
Posted by Gregory (Member # 900) on :
Joe, that prayin one probably came from one of those 5000 churches you have there in Pensacola! Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :
When I first started out in the biz and was selling alot of the small stuff (cause ya cant cut much big stuff with a STIKA - hehehehe), my best seller was an alien peeing on the 'peein bootlegged calvin'.. I had one on my truck and man, some people loved it but the peein calvin fans were pretty upset over it.
Posted by Mark Neurohr (Member # 2470) on :
As a long time follower of Calvin and Hobbes, I thought I'd add to this post. Waterson was extreamly unhappy working within the rules of a syndicate cartoonist. I think Waterson was one of the first cartoonist to present his drawing in larger odd shaped formats (I believe The Family Circle does too).
Here's part of an announcement I found:
He (Waterson) declines fabulous wealth by refusing to merchandise his characters.
"Besides being well drawn and well written, 'Calvin and Hobbes' is unusual," says NCS president Mell Lazerus. "It captured everybody's interest overnight."
In a letter to newspaper editors announcing his retirement, Watterson stated: "This is not a recent or easy decision, and I leave with some sadness. My interests have shifted, however, and I believe I've done what I can do within the constraints of daily deadlines and small panels. I am eager to work at a more thoughtful pace, with fewer artistic compromises.
Calvin and Hobbes Nov 18, 1995 - Dec 10, 1995
I would encourage any of you to buy on of the many books out there and enjoy this FANTASTIC Cartoonist and the adventures of Calvin and his little buddy Hobbes!!
Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
Bill Watterson is a genius. I own all of his books, and look forward to seeing more if he decides to publish again. My ten year old son recently discovered my books, and now enjoys the wit and wisdom of Calvin and Hobbes. Bill probably shudders everytime he sees one of the peeing Calvins. I can safely say, I have never put one on a car.
Posted by Todd Land (Member # 1179) on :
I've never seen A calvin peeing , Ive seen just a small guy peeing. Maybe Bill Matterson should take legal action against these people making these decals ,hopefuly they won't prosecute me for making a FREE one for my 10 year old nephew. Have a Happy and safe New Year!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bruce Bowers (Member # 892) on :
Boy...
Just the type of gift I want to give my nephews. Rude ripped art. Boy. My brother sure would be proud that I put almost 30 years experience into to such an uplifting gift for his sons. I am sure that he would proudly parade it around his neighborhood... Maybe they would call me "Uncle Peabody"... Wow...
Have a great one!
Posted by Signs by Shawn (Member # 426) on :
You know, I'll probably get flamed for this but oh ****ing well!
Bruce, it's that type of attitude that keeps more people from joining Letterville, I'm sure you've never sold or done anything that anyone else here wouldn't approve of.
With Neighbors like you, the cost of residency should be free, that way its easier to move when the grouchy old self richeous man next door decides your grass is 1/8" too tall!!
In simpler terms, get a grip, there's a demand for that product and many more like it and someone's going to fill that demand, weather you, I or anyone else likes it.
Just a note, no, I do not sell them, but I'm not going to put my self on a pedistal over someone else that does.
Flame away guys...
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Shawn I think your missing the point.
It's about the integrity of someones Artwork.
A person works hard to develope a Charactor and to see it Sliced, Diced, and Infringed apon is more then a slap in the face.
Let say that you done a beautiful line drawing of your Wife/Girlfriend (Who ever) and I desided that a little humour to it was to add a Hitler mustache and sell it or give it away on the market. I don't think you would laugh along with me on my decision to alter your work.
Still if this is a project of someone as a freebie then Draw up a Cartoon charactor and scan it in the system to Cut/Punch out. At least you'll know that it's done by yourself and you own this one.
So you see I think I will side with Bruce on his judgement of this..
Happy trails and painting.
Posted by Todd Land (Member # 1179) on :
Gee's Next time I use the Bullboard I'll be sure to check the legal laws and think of the morals of a piece of clipart I need! This site has been a great help for my sign business and I'm sure for others , It's a shame someone has to be insulted or judged when asking for a little help finding a piece of clipart. Thanks again to all of you helped in my search , my morally corrupt nephew thanks you to , "thank god kids have a sense of humor!"
see ya!
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Todd
If you looked up some of the old postings you would have seen that this board does stand up for copyright laws.
How about if you asked for some lettering style that is sold by a Merchant here.. Do you think it's fair to assume that it sould be given away for free?
We are Graphic Artists in our own rights and don't believe in plagiarism.
Sorry to sound so harsh, but property is property. We do value to work we sweat and toil from.
Happy trails and painting.
Posted by RonniesTintSigns (Member # 1669) on :
Judge not and yee shall not be judged. Not the case on this BB Todd, everyone has an opinion on how you should believe and act accordingly. But the only one I care about making happy is myself my family and wife. That's it. I live by my rules and mine only. I make them up as I go just like the government. Just laugh about it, I'm too busy minding my own business so I don't have time to sit in Judgment of others. That's what juries & God are for. I'm not either Oh by the way Todd did you ask for opinions? Maybe I missed that part of your letter.
[ December 29, 2001: Message edited by: RonniesTintSigns ]
Posted by Ian Wilson (Member # 177) on :
Todd I have a duck peeing on fords at work I will try and sent you a copy when I get back after the holidays he is quite a mean duck. I think as Jesus said you who be without sin are to be the ones that cast the first stone. Posted by RonniesTintSigns (Member # 1669) on :
I guess I must be better looking than I thought Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Hey Todd, do whatever ya want. There are so many self rightous persons who quote scriptures on this board its actually an inside joke!
If so many here worried about taking apart anothers artwork, they wouldn't be buying Fonts on CDs where the fonts came from old books and other hand letterers. Can ya see calling up the author and asking permission to use whatever artwork. I don't think so! Don't fall into a slump over these people who don't know jack bout earning a real living geez, if I listened to 1/2 the people here I'd my have to change my underwear twice a day.
[ December 29, 2001: Message edited by: Joey Madden ]
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
Alright Joey! YOU tell 'em Posted by CJ Allan (Member # 52) on :
Yeah, what the hell......There's even clipart of Joey peein' on a Ford/Chevy/Harley/whatever.. and nobodys ever had ta pay fer that........ Posted by Rob Larkham (Member # 2105) on :
I don't cut those peeing guys for anyone because there is no money in cutting one. But when someone orders a couple thousand you can bet I won't worry about what anyone else thinks. Cheers all!
Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
O.K.!!! Calvin peeing on a cross!! ha ha ha and HAH! I can dig that one, thanks for the visual image, Old Paint.
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As usual Joey cuts right to the chase.
Posted by RonniesTintSigns (Member # 1669) on :
Hey Mike LOL..that's Praying not peeing LOL Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
...in the eye of the beholder, Ronnie.
Posted by Benji Mcentire (Member # 2442) on :
what a hot topic ,, Calvin peein on a ford or a cross, then it gets brutal. I have just one opinion to add to this pile of PHD stuff here. some people think its perfectly alright to take someones work and profit by it. if stealing someones work or fonts or software is FINE and ok then I got a good one for you make a 4x8 Neon sign first without a deposit, then when the sign is done and before you collect someone comes in and steals it from you and then sells it to your customer doesnt. I think that the copyright laws are made for a reason, and I do beleive that there are many sign shops that have been sued by Warner Brothers, Disney, and Calvin and hobbs creators, I and applaude them for doing so. your an artist come up with your own original cartoon, Geez....
besides that Letterville to me is the best place I have been to on the internet, Ive learned more here then I have ever, and everyone is always willing to share, Way to go guys and gals... I will be a resident SOON.. and with great respect to all these talented artist....
Benji
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
you right greg...got more churches here then fast food places....and i aint liein......i got one of the many..."ripoff, take off, reworked calvins" mine has a more cinister looking set of eyes....i just look at the people ....who ask for these....most live in a trailer and drive transcameros.....and live on 12 packs..and 48 pack on the weekends.....just my opinion...
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: old paint ]
Posted by Rob Larkham (Member # 2105) on :
Any of you ever paint a cartoon character on a race care or truck? Did you contact Warner Bros. or Disney? I bet not. To many hipocrates. When most of you were getting started you would have painted anything just to sink your teeth into it. We have all been there. I paint for a tow truck company who wants the Tazmanian Deveil on all his trucks. If I don't paint it he will go elsewhere. I've done 14 trucks for him in the past three years. Those trucks feed my kids nicely. Everything we do, someone has done it before. Very few are pioneers in this business. As someone said all our fonts have been rehashed and rehashed. Helvetica is Swiss and viesa-versa. Who gets the royalties, the helvetica guy or the swiss? If I see a sign in sign craft and like the layout but change the business name to suit my customer, am I ripping off the original artist? There are to many ways to argue this point and not many of them are black and white. Yes, Calvin is copyrighted and is probably one of the more black and white issues. But we as sign people do so much ripping off of each other it's not funny. Styles, fonts, techniques, etc. No one is innocent. Open your portfolio and start looking at what you have done. All innocent people can step forward. I for one am guilty as charged. And I at least admit it.
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Rob Larkham ]
Posted by Steve Barba (Member # 431) on :
Dammit- I did'nt want to respond to this post. I just went through this. I had to contact a well known rock band to use some album cover art on a jet. I want to do a step by step for a mag, and I did'nt need any problems with them. Your right though- if I did'nt want to get it published- I would'nt have contacted them. I don't contact Warner Bros. for reproducing thier art on privatley owned vehicles or whatever. I would not, however, reproduce a trademarked character to advertise someones business. I think there is a difference.
Theres a guy here that has Bart Simpson on his sign- Being a big tourist area- I don't know how he's gotten away with it for so long.
Rob- When I was in the military, we never stole anything- The term we used was "borrow"
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Steve Barba ]
Posted by Alan (Member # 2384) on :
and drive transcameros.....I liked that one.
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
I won't discuss whether I've painted any characters or not publicly, but let's just say I am guilty.
Although I have never cut a peeing Calvin.
I'm sure if the clip art is out there, you will find it.
Many on this board do not support such action, I for one have to agree with such practices but then I am not without sin on this one. So I can not cast any stones.
Pee-on
Posted by John Zant (Member # 1619) on :
Rob, I guess i got this thing cranked up....so maybe I can finish it (fat chance). Of all the stuff that gets put out there, I hate this thing the most. Maybe because I read Calvin & Hobbes voraciously, and really loved the cartoons. Sure, most everyone has copied someone else's art before. Hell, it's how I learned to draw cartoons. I came up doing airbrush t-shirts for 12 years, so you think I didn't duplicate alot of things? The projector was my best friend, and I made a load of money with it. Copyright infringement? In the truest sense yes. But, there was some things that I wouldn't paint. Warner Bros. cartoon characters and Disney led that list. I did a few comic book characters, and the occasional funny strip or political cartoon. If they wanted to pay the money, yea, I did most of what they asked. The ****ing Calvin, no, I never painted it, or cut it on my plotter. For what ever reason it bothers me allot. Since I don't airbrush t-shirts on a grand scale anymore, I have to make fewer moral judgements about what I am painting. I've come across my work on web-sites before, with no credit attached. That really bothers me. I have had two portfolios stolen, losing years of work. I hate to think that someone is passing off my work as their own. Does Waterson approve of Calvin wizzing on various and assorted logos? I wonder about that ( you know, calvin always had a mischievious streak in him ). Am I being self righteous about this? Probably a little. The post bothered me, the subject bothered me, and I said my bit. Glad to see it provoked such a great debate.
Posted by RonniesTintSigns (Member # 1669) on :
Most of the Calvin's have been changed ever so slightly not much but enough to make them (not the same) This in the eyes of the law is usually enough. I'm sure a lot of you would disagree with the law especially if it was your work. But you would need to talk to your State Senator about that, not bitchin at the people on this BB. If you don't like the tread? Don't respond. I know a great deal of it is venting and my point is most of you wouldn't have the balls to say to someone's face what you do on the BB. We all know some of you don't like what you call stealing clipart. So what who cares what you think? Is it so important to always give your opinion, when no one has asked for it? Yo Rob..you right This BB would be a much nicer place if we all just stuck to the tread subject, if you don't agree with what it's about keep it youself unless asked for your opinion. Why start a fight or a mean debate over your opionion. I thought this BB was about helping others not trying to HURT OTHERS by using words that could make some people cry or at least make them feel rejected. If everyone were just alike..OH what a boring BB this would be.
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: RonniesTintSigns ]
Posted by kevinlandry (Member # 1352) on :
To me, everyone here has a point. Big deal it is just a cartoon. How can copying a cartoon hurt anyone?? You are right, it doesn't really hurt anyone. You do have to feed the family and pay the bills. You nephew or neice want some bullet holes or a Calvin cartoon, great. Then the other side of the coin says it is not a cartoon but an idea. If you use a cartoon then you are stealing an idea. To me what is a Calvin peeing worth. $5.00??? $2.50??? My question is what the heck are you doing it for in the first place? Unless you are cutting a 100 of the things at the same time it isn't worth doing. I wouldn't turn on the computer for $2.50. Not even considering the money is your business integrity worth $2.50. Think about it. Some people here say they changed the eyes or moved a couple of things around to "beat the law." Beat the law for $2.50??? Consider this. Hang a few of these on the walls of your shop. What do you think a high paying customer is going to say when they walk in and you try to sell them a higher end sign after displaying your portfolio of Calvin and Hobbs peeing on trucks and cars? You will never be taken seriously doing this stuff and that means no big money. You will be standing ankle deep in retail when hip deep in custom is where you have to be. Even for the 100 Calvins. That is only $250.00. It is not where you want to be in this business. We all complain about the quicky sticky shops and cheap prices. By the way, I used to be there. Cut anything for anyone for the most competitive price I could produce it. Groceries this week bills next week and no future and made it from week to week. Got out of that racket and it has paid dividends.
Kevin Landry KnL Signs Halifax NS
Posted by RonniesTintSigns (Member # 1669) on :
From a pricing point of view, I have minimum charge of $10 for plain easy stuff in vinyl not larger than six inches & it goes up from there. I earn a minimum of $500.00 a week in small things under six inches. They pay in advance & I give them a time or date to come back (@ my convenience) & pick it up, so it doesn't interfere with larger projects. That's $2000.00 bonus bucks a month for doing almost nothing. Thanks but I'll keep it. It's quickie & sticky & it's EASY MONEY. Make no doubt I not in business to be a artist which I'm not, I'm in it to make money, & that I do!
Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
I really like these kind of posts where everyone points their fingers at everyone else. Its the only time I get to sit back and laugh my balls off and I don't even have to smoke a joint.
The points made are hilarious as if it really makes a difference of what another person considers the right thing to do. I wonder if the old sign men worried about using cartoon charactors and to what extent but then again, they all could draw, right? hahahahaha Oh poor little Calvin, I can't put this on your vehicle cause I don't think its polically correct, yeah right! Lets all show our intelligence by re-wording the paragraph so everyone could understand that there aren't any quicky-sticky sign businesses here on the BB! hahahahahahaha.
As myself, just a pinstriper I have gotten to know just about everyones style of work which I have to know and do precisely in order to stay in business doing repairs on crashed vehicles and if there was a cartoon prior to the accident I would have to repair it. Does this mean I'm guilty and can be taken to court. If so, pick me up at 8 and don't be late! My friend Jon and I did a PT Cruiser some months back where the lady wanted the EEyor painted on the trunk among the graphics and to tell you the truth, if she wanted the EEyor peeing on the Tasmanian devil while giving a bl--job to Mickey Mouse we would have done it because thats what our job is. In my years of doing this work I never worried about things like this because theres no need to and if someone wants to use a charactor for whatever reason, it never enters my mind for me to break it down and question what they want. I don't however do work or use colors which I think will be ugly or do nothing for my ego which is all that matters to me. I'm in this business to make money and I totally love what I do and never look back and hope I can do this til they pry the brush from my cold dead hands.
Outside of that I say if you can't draw then you are in the wrong business!
Posted by John Deaton III (Member # 925) on :
Ah sh**! I posted something but took it off. This post has taken the wrong direction. Why get all bent out of shape over something so small? And Ronnie, when you post anything on this board, you know you're gonna get different responses, some to deal with it, and some to not. If you don't like opinions, then by now you know you get all kinds on this board? This board has done alot for quite a few people, me included. IF you're a vinyl shop and wanta do Calvins all day long, more power to ya. Not me though. Thats just my opinion. Its like some people are just standing by looking for a fight to get things stirred up. The old saying, "Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house" rings true here. The holier than thou attitude runs both ways on this board. More enemies have been made on these types of "discussions" more than not here. Think before you type, and consider your words before you lay them out for all to see. It's okay to be out for no.1, but you sometimes need help from no.2,3,4, etc. Think about it.
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: John Deaton III ]
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
OK......you guys QUIT using the smiley face. You are copying. Posted by Robb Lowe (Member # 2121) on :
I am cursed or blessed, depending on your view, with a pretty stout memory. Useless things like numbers, song lyrics and WWII trivia take up space that should be filled with how to make money, find true happiness, etc.
A while back, I posted two scans - one of a logo design (in a 'best of' logo book) and one of a signshop in the UK that had pretty much copied it to a T. The views were varied as you can imagine. Most said "oh there is NOTHING original, so there is no problem (your choice of verbage here - copying, being influenced by, emulating, BS etc.) someone else's work".
Yet here we are again, over a rediculously cute line drawing. And the strange part is - a lot of the ones that said "oh yes, there is nothing wrong with that" to that unknown artist's rendering of ivy, are up in arms over some 'celebrity artiste' creation being used outside the scope of a sunday paper.
And I might add, after he abandon it. (call it what you will, thats the bottom line)
Today's world pretty much ****es me off in the way it double standards things and carries political correctness like a merit badge. It's a very common internet thing right now to swap and trade copyrighted music, and a lot of reputable magazines, tv shows and websites will show you how to do it all day long. It's almost a damn American right to partake in this exchanging. Yet the very same people get mad and scream about the 'warez' community (illegal swapping of programs, clipart, etc.). As if there was any less work or intelligence needed to create recorded media than digital data/media. Perhaps its the fact that SO many people can make music, and after all, if *I* dont like that music, it's not worth real money so what do I care if someone gives it away for free. Programs, clipart, games and other pieces of software on the other hand.. why those are created by sub-Einsteins and of course they deserve to be compensated everytime a button is clicked.
Be it a likeness of a little boy juicing an automobile emblem or the latest single from Sweet Mamie and her Bayou Biscuit Boys, your view and opinion shouldnt change.
If you have no problem with yourself or someone else copying a Tramp Warner design, why do you have a problem with copying a Warner Bros. design???
Like bellybuttons, everyone has an opinion. I whole heartedly appreciate and revel in a person with a strong convictions - even if I dont agree with them. What irks the crap out of me is someone who will argue one way and then the other, depending on the POPULAR opinion or what they feel is 'politically correct' for the moment. Not to mention, what has or doesnt have perceived value to them.
And if you still want that kid with a urinary problem (man, talk about pressure! I couldnt pee over my head when I was that age..) , you let me know - I'll send it to you directly, scott free.
Posted by Jason Davie (Member # 2172) on :
Hey Robb, I can't pee that high now and I'm alot older now.. But for the right price I'd cut them too... After all where all doing this to make a living..
Jason
Posted by RonniesTintSigns (Member # 1669) on :
John, The point is all he asked for was a Calvin Peeing, not everyone's opinion, you either give it to him or not. Did anyone send him what he asked for? Or are opinions & moral judgements all he received?
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: RonniesTintSigns ]
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Where in tarnation did everyone come to the conclusion that Todd was looking for "Calvin"? He said he was looking for "that little guy peeing on a ford....etc.".
I've seen all kinds of different "little" guys peeing on everything out there..why does everyone assume it's Calvin?
And the "Calvin" guy you're talking about, doesn't look exactly like the Calvin I've seen in the strips....in fact, I wouldn't have even known it was "Calvin" until I started reading all this tripe.
As far as comments about him being in the wrong business if he can't draw his own? Maybe he was just trying to save time out of his busy day...he was just doing it as a favor for his nephew for crying out loud. Probably just wanted to download it and cut it and be done with it.
I suppose none of you has ever recorded a favorite movie on a second vcr for your collection so you wouldn't have to buy one at the store?
What about downloading MP3's or recording a friends cd on your cd writer?
What about using Sign Foam....don't you feel guilty because you didn't invent it yourself and aren't the only guy doing signs that look the same?
What do you think about making your own version of the "Grain Frame" for $75 instead of paying the originator $500?
I understand the concept of copyright laws....but if something is changed marginally it is legal. Give the guy a break. Waterson should be flattered. Personally, if he gave away potential millions in merchandising because he was too much of a purist...I think the guy has a screw loose.
I have a little guy peeing.....many people call him calvin, but mine dosent look like calvin. I have a calvin too, hes not peeing and I dont use him. Many points have been made, but the best one was, He asked for a little guy peeing, NOT calvin. The second would be, did anyone send it to him? Too many times someone needs something and the first thing out of most of your mouths is, You can buy it here, or there. Maybe its time to rethink the use of this BB. maybe its time to truly share......
Posted by Shane French (Member # 2098) on :
Sorry, couldn't find one of him peeing. I have to wonder about that little hand gesture though.
-shane
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
OK lets go for 100 posts, I'll help. Besides there is so much BS here why not get in the fray. The Calvin's out here don't look much like Calvin anyway. If they've been changed then maybe they are not Calvin. Calvin always seemed a little mischievious, but you aint seen nothing till you seen his evil twin whip it out. Should Calvin take the rap for that?
By the way I totally agree with Shawn's post. Sure we all get to know soon enough that you throw a post up there and you can expect the full gamut of helpful, indifferent, & out of left field crappola to come your way but you get a guy posting less then 20 times here & he asks a simple question, Uncle peabody blasts away about the "speck" in Todds eye instead of concerning HIMself with the frikkin' plank in his own!
And then all this talk about the measley $2.50 of it all. Don't people read that a guy just wants to give a kid what he asks for? Sure, it's tasteless, but it is in the public domain, kid sees it, kid wants it, dad's bro can bust one out pronto, & get back to work. Where does the profitability, business ethic, moral high ground, or the high-end sign customers opinion fit in there?
So btw did you get flamed shawn?
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
Oh yeah, almost forgot...for the record, I never cut any "Calvin's evil twin peeing" stickers! But Guilty as charged on the borrow/steal issue. In fact I have borrowed artwork from our neighbors right here in letterville. Not for profit mind you, but when I have seen something interesting that I know some of my regulars may get a kick out of, I grab it.
I spent several minutes searching for the original post, but I guess the words I thought would have been in it were not, so I couldn't find it. Guessd I'll just re-post it myself. I forget who the artist was, but since he did a little borrowing himself, I guess I won't mind my posting his work here again.
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Steve Shortreed ]
Posted by Signs by Shawn (Member # 426) on :
Yup, I got Flammed!!!
But I think we got it all worked out...
Thanks for all the interesting points of view, my e-mail has never been so busy.
have a safe and happy new year folks!!
Shawn
Posted by Rob Larkham (Member # 2105) on :
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Posted by Jeffrey Vrstal (Member # 2271) on :
Doug, and everyone else... I was the guy guilty of the peeing uncle sam. I wouldn't call it my best work but I would call it funny at a time when we need to laugh about something. Call it a parody of all of the ripped off art work that has ever been. My thought at the time was that we all have seen this peeing guy on the back of some redneck pickup peeing on our Fords, Chevys and everything else you could imagine. As a political cartoonist I should have (if indeed this is Calvin) placed "Apologies to Watterson" under the cartoon.
Anyway, it was for fun. It was for a laugh or two. I wish I could say that you will not see me on the board here ever again because I have retired and moved to some exotic paradise thanks to the bounty of profits made from my twisted mind... unfortunately, this is not the case.
I have probably made 2 or 3 hundred and given them all away along with a couple of versions of American flags since 911. I had two guys, brothers, ask for a larger version for which I charged about $35.00 each. I guess if I wanted to market this, which I did not and do not, maybe I could make out great. Someone above mentioned about orders in the thousands... for something like that I'd consider it, I have to eat you know.
I feel good that something that I had contributed to this board was looked at, considered, and copied to god knows what hard drive on the planet earth.
Thanks and have a wonderful new year. Let's all order some peeing guy stickers from me a a large profit to me so that I can spend the remainder of this Wisconsin winter with Doug Allan in warmer weather. Again , Thanks.
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Jeffrey Vrstal ]
Posted by Todd Land (Member # 1179) on :
Well I started all this controversy so I better reply again, so maybe we can break a 100! Thanks for all the replys and all the clipart I have recieved. Wow all this over a nameless guy peeing!
Thanks, Todd.
I really like Doug's version !
Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
There are lots of opinions in this thread, but at the end of the day, we are really talking about is the law.
I'm not upset with Todd, but in hindsight I should have removed his original request. Lawyers are paid to argue if the Calvin artwork is a violation of copyright law and only a judge's opinion really matters in the end. What is more important to me is that it violates the Law Of Letterville.
When you register to have the privilage of posting here in Letterville, you first have to read and agree to the Laws Of Letterville. This dosen't mean you have to like the law, just that you respect Letterville enough to live within the law. One of those laws reads like this...
"The Letterhead WebSite, Letterville, and the Shortreed Family strictly prohibits the use of this site as a means to request coyprighted artwork and fonts. Please respect the copyrights of the designers and foundries. If you feel compelled to \"steal\" from those people, please go to another site to do it. We do encourage all designers using this site to build the cost of fonts and clip art into your project's costs."
It's pretty clear. At first I reasoned that Todd's request was pretty innocent. He never asked specifically for Calvin, just the little guy peeing. Most of us knew it was "Calvin" and probally a violation of some copyright law somewhere, but where was the harm. After all, it wasn't going to be copied and sold for profit. Is there any of us who have never violated the law in some way?
As the thread developed, I began to put myself in Mr. Waterson's shoes. Most of us have experienced the pain and frustration of someone using our designs and/or sketches without our permission and compensation. In our society, original ideas, as well as our labour has a value. How would those who argue the use of Calvin is ok feel if it was your logo and/or likeness being used? I know at least one of the posters is very upset over a couple others "stealing his logo." What's the difference? Are we only free to borrow the ideas of the wealthy and those we do not know?
That's not all. When you request questionable material here, thousands of people see it. If I make a decision to speed or run a red light, I'm smart enough to make sure a cop isn't nearby. When I get caught, I can argue that I don't agree with the law, but it's going to cost me time and money. It never ceases to amaze me how people expose themselves to risk of procecution by posting these requests. The kind, giving people that respond stating they have sent the questionable material are also running an unnecessary risk. Is it really worth it?
The bottom line is this. Don't request stuff like this here in Letterville. Don't ask to borrow our tools either. We're here to share everything we have learned to improve the quality of your work and perhaps save you from making some of the mistakes we made. I'm sure not the grumpy old guy next door. (Loved that reference by the way.) Invest in yourself and your business.
Happy New Year!
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Thank You Steve and Barb! A Great board for sharing info on how to do!
Raven/2002
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Stephen Deveau ]
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Steve,
The fact remains that Todd didn't ask for "Calvin" peeing. Are you a mind reader? And the guy that I have seen that is supposedly Calvin sure as heck doesn't look like him to me! He looks like a ****ed off kid who could be any boy in America.
Copyright laws don't apply to Parodies anyway do they? It's like showing a photo of Clinton giving Monica Lewinsky a ride on a cigar. Neither one can sue you for using their likeness because it is a parody.
How many goofy versions of Mona Lisa have I seen in my lifetime? Seems to me like someone "owns" the rights to that art. But used in a parody, it's defenseless.
Go with your initial gut instinct Steve....it is insignificant and not worthy of kicking people off the board over.
Todd doesn't seem like a "thief" to me.
The other Todd
Posted by ScooterX (Member # 2023) on :
aside from the question of violating the trademark (not copyright) of the "Calvin" figure, you've also got the potential violation of the auto maker's logo (Ford, Chevy, etc).
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
Like Raven said, Thanks Steve & Barb. This is the greatest place to be online & my appologies for the image post.
Jeffery, I just checked out your website. Good looking antique signage. You mentioned political cartooning so I thought I'd see more there. Maybe it's not your best work, but I did stumble on Hal! Thanks again for a real good chuckle. I confess I did run a sample 3 up edge print of that & the first 3 guys who saw it walked away stoked with their free bonus sticker.
Who did the "Trash Bin Laden" design with the statue of liberty flippin' the bird? That was a great one too.
Posted by Glenn Dewey (Member # 1804) on :
SO I GUESS ASKING FOR THE BOW HUNTER IS ASKING TO MUCH !! I NEED THE HUNTER FOR A FRIEND OF MINE BUT AS PEOPLE IN THE SAME TRADE WE MUST FIGHT OVER COPY RIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT !!!!! WHEN I JOINED THIS BOARD I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS TO HELP EACH OTHER !!! NOT PUT DOWN OR DOWN GRADE OTHERS FOR TRYING TO MAKE A COUSTOMER HAPPY! COME ON PEOPLE WE are ALL ADULTS HERE!!GET OVER IT WE ALL HAVE AT ONE TIME HAD SOMEONE USE OR STEAL AN IDEA FROM US , WHATS THE BEEF? FOR ANY OF US TO SPEND THE TIME MAKING A CALVIN OR ANY OTHER THING FOR 1 OR 2 COPYS IS JUST STUPID SO ASKING FOR THIS WOULD IN MY EYES BE THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS !! HOPING THE MAKER OF THE GUY PEEING WOULD HELP OUT !! IF NOT SOMEONE WOULD KNOW HIM AND ASK HIM TO HELP OUT SORRY I HAVE TO BE SO BLUNT !! BUT DAMM I LOVE THIS BOARD LIKE FAMILY! WE SHOULD ALWAYS HELP OUR FELLOW SIGN MAKERS (FAMILY) AND STICK TOGHTER AS DID THE U.S.A.ON 9/11/01 SO IN CLOSING
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!!!!! MY WE ALL GET ALONG BETTER IN 2002!!!! IF SOMEONE WANTED MY WORK AND CAME TO A PLACE LIKE THIS TO GET IT I WOULD BE PROUD NOT UPSET!!!
SO FROM ALL OF US AT GSD SIGNS AND THE DEWEY'S LETS GET ALONG AND HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!
Posted by John Martin Robson (Member # 1686) on :
My turn
I’ve heard this twice now “ if you can’t draw maybe you’re in the wrong business”.
You don’t have to be able to draw to be in this business, not with all the clip art & graphic programs out there. What you do need is a good sense of design,…….. things like, form, balance, layout, colour, aesthetic, etc …………Maybe we need to define draw. I’m a draftsmen by profession. I can draw, but I can’t illustrate worth sh*t. In other words I can draw a house, even render it, throw in some trees, people, shade & shadow etc. But if you asked me to draw a guy riding a camel through a football match while, drinking beer & eating pizza…….. I wouldn’t be able to do it. That doesn’t mean I can’t be a good sign maker.
I’ve produced some pretty good work in the past few years. I really want to become a better sign maker and thats what really matters. Becoming a better drawer would help some, but it’s certainly not imperative. So if you can’t draw, don’t sweat it. Keep on doing what you’re doing.
Am I in the wrong business?
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: John Martin Robson ]
Posted by RonniesTintSigns (Member # 1669) on :
(quote) MY WE ALL GET ALONG BETTER IN 2002! I'll drink to that, May Good Fortune & Happiness Fall Upon Everyone Happy New Year! One And All!
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: RonniesTintSigns ]
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Glenn I have a great Bow Hunter Line drawing that I have done. Do you want it for free or would you like to pay me for the rights?
I am not joking as it is a fine piece of line work!
A Man in Camo with a Deer in the woods!)
Copyright will cost you $1000.00 The royalities will be 3% per copy...
Any info you may need on this please contact myself.
Posted by Doug Allan (Member # 2247) on :
Wow! $1000 for an old line drawing collecting dust in the drawer.
I wonder how much for a custom drawing done to client specs?
So there you have it, any one who CAN draw, but isn't, is in the wrong business!
In case you can draw, but your client 's budget isn't always allowing for custom work, here's something free from my "Click Art" collection. let me know if you want a vector file of this.
[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Doug Allan ]
Posted by Todd Gill (Member # 2569) on :
Well said John....and you too Glenn.
Stephan, would you mind posting a picture of that Bow Hunter line art so we can steal...er..umm..I mean see it and judge for ourselves it's "fineness" before screwing you...er..I mean... buying the rights to it? Heeheehee...just kidding my man. We're like Robin Hood...we only steal from the rich...which as a sign guy, you probably aren't.
Happy holidays and "all for one and one for all".
Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
LOL!!!! ah......man you guys are FUNnnnie!!! I am laughing my a$$ off. Now.....do we all have the day off I am assuming??
