customer's logo on many glass panes. 2 dark colors; i suggest backing up with white rectangle. must be on inside.
first i do the logo on inside of glass (2 color vinyl). can't back up with white vinyl: too many bubbles around letters. mask a rectangle and give it two coats of 1 shot white; very messy.
any other (better?) way is appreciated!
Posted by Bob Rochon (Member # 30) on :
Did one today also, used white chromatic and a roller.
Messy but effective with great results.
Sorry I don't know any better way, unless you silk screen the entire job.
Posted by nushie (Member # 934) on :
foam roller? did you double coat?
thanks!
Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
Len, I've done it with satisfactory results, but that was long before I read that it won't work! I've read so many articles claiming that enamel will not stick to vinyl. It seems to. I usually add some boiled linseed oil to my enamel to thin it into what can stipple out and become transparent when the light goes through it. Seeing brush or roller marks at night is rather unsightly.I think that God grants favor on the ignorant and that's how I got away with it before I was told I couldn't do it. Hope to see you at Bunnie's in a few weeks.
[ September 27, 2001: Message edited by: Rick Sacks ]
Posted by nushie (Member # 934) on :
yo, rick. thanks. i've always tried to double coat, make it opaque, which means a return. i would guess that the linseed oil thinning is not visible from the 'street' side.
see you at product!
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
It will cover the vinyl ok (especially the Edge ready vinyl...but fair warning! Over a period of time the vinyl shinks slighty and leaves a fine hairline (void)around the letter.
I have a job where I did this very thing and it did exactly as I said but it was so perfectly uniform I never did anything about it and the customer has never said anything!
I eliminated that problem by leaving the vinyl uncoated for a couple of days (let the vinyl shrink down ...the coated it) no problem on that job!
[ September 28, 2001: Message edited by: Monte Jumper ]
Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
Nushie, maybe the reason for "too many bubbles around letters" is cause your not using Rapid Tac or Rapid Tac II !! E-mail your street address for FREE samples and we will get it to you pronto !! mail@rapidtac.com or call 800-350-7751 We are in Oregon(southern) and can get it to ya fast !!
Roger P.S. please follow my instructions on bottle for bubble free applications over other vinyl(small letters or not)
Posted by bronzeo (Member # 1408) on :
Just curious,,, Would you consider it always distasteful to apply the vinyl to the exterior of the glass? Or consider the job? One thing to consider is, if the graphic is to attract business, it can be viewed about 200% plus easier on an exterior application. I.E....I put an american flag application on the rear window of a lightly tinted truck window. The inside job could be viewed up to about a 100 feet. The exterior job could be seen for 4 city blocks. So,, would you put the application exterior on a hardware store and interior on a jewelry store? How much taste are you willing to give up for effectiveness? I am seeing more and more go to the outside. Just wondering... bronzeo
Posted by Sharon Bigler (Member # 2203) on :
Jack, You are right. My partner did vinyl application on the window of a tanning salon yesterday, inside application. I drove by last night, thought it looked lost and now I log on an find your post. It would have looked so much better on the outside. The only problem is, people think that if it's on the outside, there might be vandalism.
Posted by Rick Sacks (Member # 379) on :
Len, the last one of these that I did, I slopped on a quick layer of Ti-Cote, let it dry for an hour and then did the enamel transparency.
Posted by Tony McDonald (Member # 1158) on :
I would think outside would deffinately be the way to go also, and that would solve the problem with bubbles. Seems like I remember a post where someone said in their city lettering on the outside of the window was a violation and had to be applied to the inside.
Posted by Ken Henry (Member # 598) on :
I'm sure that I'm showing a bit of age here, but back in B.C. (Before Computers) a lot of glass lettering was done Inside the windows. Does anyone remember what a Valance was?? Back when I first started in the trade, lettering valances was fairly common. My former boss and mentor was very adept at doing these, and as a rookie, my job was to paint on the "backup" panels.
To accomplish this, and get a nice even panel with no brushmarks or rollermarks showing, I stippled on the backgrounds using a paint tray loaded with One Shot, and a feminine Sanitary Napkin. These things hold a lot of paint, do not leak, and make a good application tool. If you ever have to paint a panel backing up vinyl lettering, try this technique out. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the results you can get. It's even possible to do stippled blended backgrounds.
