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Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
Georgia, Alabama, Mississipi, and Florida sufferers of subtropical heat and humidity:

If you have a steel building for a shop, is it insulated? Do you wish it was? Is it really necessary here?

Thanks for the help.

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"The most beautiful
thing we can experience
is the mysterious. It is
the source of all true
art and all science. He
to whom this emotion is
a stranger, who can no
longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead: his
eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein

Failure to advertise is a lot like blinking in the dark. Nobody, but you, knows what you're doing.

Wayne Webb
Webb Sign Studio
Chipley, FL
850.638.9329
webbsignstudio@digitalexp.com
 

Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
 
YES...YES...YESSS...i worked in a metal building in sarasota fl. for 4 yrs...and it was insulated walls and ceiling....come in monday morning when the air had been off since sat noon....you could not even go inside till the air cooled it down some. and being up in the panhandle you got to condend with cold, not below 25-30...for any lenght of time but you try and heat a metal building from 35-40 degrees to 70...and no insulation...will take you 3 times the amount of furnace run time...and it wont hold it....

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joe pribish-A SIGN MINT
2811 longleaf Dr.
pensacola, fl 32526
850-944-5060
BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND


 

Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
 
Yes, There is no going in my Sauna/shop durning the summer without the AC on. The Humidity here gererally 95+. My shope is insulated with a rolled plastic bubble material. Don't be fooled by the cheap kind that is available at Lowe's or Home Depot. BTU Busters makes one that is thick plasticized foil on both sides. They have products for window and floor insulation also. In the winter, I heat my shop with a candle and in the winter I can cool it with a ice cube.
Tha tmay be streching it a little. but a small window unit cools the 500 sq ft and a heat lamp is what I use in the cold of winter.

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Santo Brocato
Promotion Graphics & Letters
Youngsville LA.



 

Posted by Kathy Joiner (Member # 1814) on :
 
I am in southern Louisiana also and Santo wasn't kidding when he stated that the humidity is 95+ here. My metal bldg is 40'x60' and has no ceiling. I am going to leave it that way so some of the heat can vent out. I hope to use it for a truck bay later, but for now I keep all the "dirty" work out there and just do vinyl inside. It is so hot out there that I must work at night to cut substrate, paint, or practice sandblasting late at night after it cools down. (starts cooling at 10:00) I can forget AC because it is just too big to afford cooling right now. Yes, it is insulated and I cannot imagine surviving in a non-insulated metal bldg in the south unless we changed from signs to "oven baked goods".

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Kathy Joiner
River Road Graphics
41628 River Road
Ponchatoula, La.70454
PH. (504)386-3313
casey@i-55.com

Old enough to know better...Too young to resist.


 

Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
Right Joe, in 90-100 degree heat one does tend to forget that it can get down in the 20's and lower in winter here.

Kathy, you, Joe and Santo are at about the same latitude as we and it does feel like you're living in a sauna sometimes doesn't it? So, the insulation does help even though you don't have A/C in your metal shop?

Santo, can you install that bubble insulation on an existing building? I know the fiberglass has to be installed during construction.

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"The most beautiful
thing we can experience
is the mysterious. It is
the source of all true
art and all science. He
to whom this emotion is
a stranger, who can no
longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead: his
eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein

Failure to advertise is a lot like blinking in the dark. Nobody, but you, knows what you're doing.

Wayne Webb
Webb Sign Studio
Chipley, FL
850.638.9329
webbsignstudio@digitalexp.com
 

Posted by Kathy Joiner (Member # 1814) on :
 
Wayne, you gotta do something to keep that Florida sunshine's heat out. Yes, the insulation helps even without AC. I like the bubble insulation Santo told you about. I don't have it myself but I'll bet that in an existing building you could install some cheap stripping directly onto the metal with liquid nails then staple the insulation to that. Good luck.

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Kathy Joiner
River Road Graphics
41628 River Road
Ponchatoula, La.70454
PH. (504)386-3313
casey@i-55.com

Old enough to know better...Too young to resist.


 

Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
 
wayne...i was draftsman in my earlier life and i designed and help build BUTLER metal buildings..(in northern maine) and we insulated them with a batting of fiberglass/with a vinyl cover on the inside. now weere talkin -50 in the winter and 95 in the summer..and this is all we used....but the BUTLERS are the cadilac of metal buildings..we had a roof to go on the buildings that was gar-on-teed to last 100 years....and not leak.

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joe pribish-A SIGN MINT
2811 longleaf Dr.
pensacola, fl 32526
850-944-5060
BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND


 

Posted by Gavin Chachere (Member # 1443) on :
 
A sauna sometimes? it will cool down here in november

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Gavin Chachere
aka Zeeman
Miller Supply Co./Ozone
Signs & Grafix
New Orleans La.
www.millersupply.net
www.ozonegrafix.com
 

Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
 
Wayne,
The bubblewrap insulation comes in 2' and 4' rolls 525' long. My portable building had bare 2x4 studs to fasten on with duplex nails. It will nail up great to roof rafters or lay across ceiling joists. For existing walls, you might have some trouble. I'll get an address for you and I have a small sample I can send if you want to look at it.

Here's the Web Address.
http://www2.cajun.net/~mrfoil/index.html
Jim Daigle was my neighbor in Houma, LA. and a ex-sign guy.

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Santo Brocato
Promotion Graphics & Letters
Youngsville LA.


[This message has been edited by Santo (edited August 01, 2001).]
 

Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
Santo, you don't have to do that but I would like to have the address. I was just wondering if the stuff had an adhesive on one side so that you could just stick it on.

I'm getting ready to put up a steel building(already a major strain on the finances) and the insulation, if installed now, would cost another 1500-2000 bucks. Ouch!

Thanks very much!
Wayne

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"The most beautiful
thing we can experience
is the mysterious. It is
the source of all true
art and all science. He
to whom this emotion is
a stranger, who can no
longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead: his
eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein

Failure to advertise is a lot like blinking in the dark. Nobody, but you, knows what you're doing.

Wayne Webb
Webb Sign Studio
Chipley, FL
850.638.9329
webbsignstudio@digitalexp.com

[This message has been edited by Wayne Webb (edited August 01, 2001).]
 

Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
Thanks Kathy and Joe for that essential information! I'm gonna try to swing the insulation

------------------
"The most beautiful
thing we can experience
is the mysterious. It is
the source of all true
art and all science. He
to whom this emotion is
a stranger, who can no
longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead: his
eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein

Failure to advertise is a lot like blinking in the dark. Nobody, but you, knows what you're doing.

Wayne Webb
Webb Sign Studio
Chipley, FL
850.638.9329
webbsignstudio@digitalexp.com
 

Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
 
Wayne, No adhesive on the rolled goods, but they make an adhesive backed fastener w/ a push on medalion tha hold insulkation in place. We've used it on engineroom bulkheads with great success.

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Santo Brocato
Promotion Graphics & Letters
Youngsville LA.



 

Posted by Mark Perkins (Member # 296) on :
 
Awwww come on guys...the humidity was only 92% yesterday...allmost like a cool front LOL

typed as I wipe the sweat from my eyes

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Mark Perkins
Performance Signs & Graphics
Eunice, Louisiana
"The heart of Cajun Country"
 

Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
Sounds like that would work nicely. Thanks for the help Santo.

I'm convinced that we'll need the insulation because I can't spray\apply some of my waterbased acrylics at low temperatures for sure. For that matter, high temps are a no no as well.

Thanks

------------------
"The most beautiful
thing we can experience
is the mysterious. It is
the source of all true
art and all science. He
to whom this emotion is
a stranger, who can no
longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead: his
eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein

Failure to advertise is a lot like blinking in the dark. Nobody, but you, knows what you're doing.

Wayne Webb
Webb Sign Studio
Chipley, FL
850.638.9329
webbsignstudio@digitalexp.com
 

Posted by Nevman (Member # 332) on :
 
Another (cheaper and temporary) way is to set up a hose and pump system.

Fill a 55 gallon drum with water, and then pump it to the top of the roof to a sprayer and allow it to roll of where you can collect it again in the drum. The evaporation from the water will cool the roof considerably, and draw up all of the heat in the shop in the mean time.

It's not a permanent solution, but it will cool the shop down.

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Pat Neve, Jr.
Sign Man, Inc.
4580 N. US 1
Melbourne, FL 32935
321-259-1703
signman@signmaninc.com
Capt. Sign
Letterville Constituent
constituent: "One of the individual entities contributing to a whole"



 

Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
I know what you mean, Mark.
Having to constantly change soaked do-rags to keep the sweat from dripping.....DRIPPING?...POURING onto my redwood sign blanks before I can get the primecoat on.

If the humidity gets any thicker, I'm gonna hafta use SCUBA gear or sprout gills.

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"The most beautiful
thing we can experience
is the mysterious. It is
the source of all true
art and all science. He
to whom this emotion is
a stranger, who can no
longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead: his
eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein

Failure to advertise is a lot like blinking in the dark. Nobody, but you, knows what you're doing.

Wayne Webb
Webb Sign Studio
Chipley, FL
850.638.9329
webbsignstudio@digitalexp.com
 

Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :
 
Right Pat,
At the feed store in Chipley, they keep a sprinkler running on the roof. The owner told me that it really helps. Come to think of it, my Dad used to run a sprinkler on the roof of our house in the summer.

Thanks

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"The most beautiful
thing we can experience
is the mysterious. It is
the source of all true
art and all science. He
to whom this emotion is
a stranger, who can no
longer pause to wonder
and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead: his
eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein

Failure to advertise is a lot like blinking in the dark. Nobody, but you, knows what you're doing.

Wayne Webb
Webb Sign Studio
Chipley, FL
850.638.9329
webbsignstudio@digitalexp.com
 



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