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Posted by Michael Boone (Member # 308) on :

Here goes a simple sign topic.
Today,I put some stikkies on the window at the court house in town.
The graphic listed the hours for court clerk and actual court.
I made the whole layout fit on a sheet of 15" when rotated..save material,still it looked good.Just the right size.
The wind is blowin like stink today(that's sailboat people talk) so I got some help.
I taped the graphic on the window...measured,centered,etc.
Hinge,helper hold corner of small graphic,stik it dry!
No bubbles at all.
Problem...molding on top of window is all distorted..and I measured from it.....
My graphic was so off level...I even stood back and gave it a look before application.I always say..hey..if anybody checks my work,they will do it with their eyes..not a tape maeasure.
Sure enough,I trust a measure anyhoo.

What did I do?
I went back,cut a new graphic,and re-did it.
No helper now.Ask the Mrs to go..
She took one look...says.....who the ^&#$% is gonna see THAT?
I said.....ME...
Its maybe a $75 job.....and now,its done right.
I coulda easy got away with it.
Would you?

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Michael Boone
Sign Painter
5828 Buerman Rd.Sodus,NY 14551
Ontime @localnet.com

Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :

You did the right thing Michael. It would have bugged you for a lot longer than it took you to re~do it. Unlevel, or uncentered stuff drives me crazy.

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Posted by Kathy Joiner (Member # 1814) on :

If you have pride in yourself and your work, you did the right thing. Congratulations on a good decision. Now YOU know the job is well done.

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River Road Graphics
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Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :

heheheh...I'd have thrown a rock thrugh that off kilter window and put up the sign when they had it fixed right!

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Posted by Robert Beverly (Member # 1907) on :

YES!...YOU DID THE RIGHT THING!

Our company has been around for 5 years. Our intention was to be a silent supplier to other sign shops in dimensional,channel, cans and creative work remaining dedicated to anonymity as a loyal issue to our clientele....until.......we realized that we were spending as much time educating them as we would a retail client and getting paid a lot less. Not only that... but when an issue of time delay or screw up on their part was encountered, that at that time, we found out our name would come up as the excuse for their unprofessionalism. Well...we have officially gone retail 6 months ago and are loving every minute of it...for obvious reasons....

so the next time you think that changing out the graphics is a good idea....remember folks like us just waiting to replace you!

The neat thing about this board is that we represent everything good about the way a good sign should look and as a supplier to over 250 "franchise" stores for the past 5 years, I guarantee you that maintaining quality and service is going to keep your clients coming back to you and away from "them".

Drmwvr

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Robert Beverly
Dreamweaver Graphics House
Arlington, Texas

"Dreams come a size too big so that we can grow into them"

Posted by Robert Beverly (Member # 1907) on :

Boy...just had to throw some more thoughts on the fire!

I just met with a client a few months ago that was referred by a friend (because we had just gone retail and no one new about us). After explaining over the phone how I would approach their package, he commented "You are the first sign company (out of 5 "major" companies as he put it) that actually knows what the client wants!"

Not only does that make us feel good of our abilities compared to others but it was worth 20k...(that's lots of dimensioanl letters) since then we have done another package (restaraunt) and are working on another now for them. We have gained the total trust of the client and have gone from creating all of the signs to doing all interior glass work and sculpting a figure that is going in the main foyer in bronze. You can't imagine how much mileage we have gotten out of this project both in confidence but marketing tools.

Another was a set of glass panels that were personally delivered to a new Ford dealership 9 hours away. The panels were 6' x 9' and after thinking about the house that we would have to build just to get them there, we decided it would be in our best interest to hand deliver them. After arriving, the designer was in shock to know the company owner...me...delivered them over a weekend....than to say the least ask if I would stay and help oversee the installation...which I did. I had no idea that there had already been 2 attempts from a local sign company at something a lot simpler...She was elated and we have great hopes fot the future with this designer.

Then last week our company installed some entry signs made from all copper in a posh residential development. The signs were to be inset into stone faces. The stone was so tight that they had to get their crews out to cut/chisel the openings (even after an mdf template was provided). The client of course loved the signs...but...I made sure he new that my staff might need to make another trip out to address an issue that I felt needed to be taken care of...When my staff installed the signs, they were jimmied into the opening thus possibly removing the protective coating placed on to ward of oxidation. I suggested the possible need for a silicon seal or a recoat onsight...My client was very surprised (not haveing dealt with us before) as to my interest/concern. He was extremely thankful!

And last but not least, we got our first introduction to a very large developer in the Dallas area a couple of weeks ago...They asked us to consider a sign package for a restaraunt located inside a new Hilton they just built. They had been given designs created by a design firm (supposedly renowned) and were dissapointed. They ask if we would take a look and offer an alternative..I spoke with the head person a few days ago and she said that regardless of budget restraints, they feel very confident that the owner will pay any reasonable price for the ideas that we submitted. Having been in the closet and just producing products already defined for so many years, we are excited about the future.

and why?....because we will never except anything less than great...no matter how many times it takes to get it right!

FYI...I am an engineer and I owned a woodworking manufacturing plant up to 6 years ago when I saw my talents artistically were not being expoited. We had never made signs prior to that. I hope this inspires y'all to keep aspiring for the creative and the very best you can do!

Drmwvr

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Robert Beverly
Dreamweaver Graphics House
Arlington, Texas

"Dreams come a size too big so that we can grow into them"

Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :

Michael, the one thing that bothers me(ok,two things)
1- if you did it with Rapid Tac(wet) you would not have needed a helper(cost savings)

2- had you applied it with Rapid Tac, you could have stood back,realized the error, pulled up one corner,sprayed more Rapid Tac under as you removed vinyl.
Then you spray it again and RE-apply the same piece(no stretches).
Would have saved you a trip back to shop, more vinyl , and the "helper" as well !!

Just a couple tips !

Roger(cost saver)

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Roger Bailey
Rapid Tac Incorporated
Waikoloa, Hawaii

Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :

How come we never have time to do the job right the First Time(step back,get visual)
BUT....we ALAYS have time to go back and fix it??

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Posted by Kevin Landry (Member # 1352) on :

Listen to Roger. I have done that a few times.

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Kevin Landry
KnL Signs
Halifax NS
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Posted by Dave Draper (Member # 102) on :

Michael,

I have done the same, and still do. If something don't look right, I pull it off and redo it. A lot of times, I have just wanted to walk away and think no one will notice or not care....then I remember those other quiky-stiky guys and how bad their work is and it hits me like a rock between the eyes....I just don't want to leave a job like that and fall into the same catagory of those others.

Great topic thread on job integrity.

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Posted by Wayne Webb (Member # 1124) on :

ZZZZZZZZZZackly what I woulda done. And my better half fusses about it too.

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Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :

Like I tell my crew....."It ain't right until it looks right!"

You did the right thing.

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Posted by Ken Henry (Member # 598) on :

Hi Michael. What you did is what enables honest folks with Integrity to sleep peacefully at night. It's also the sorta thing that enables one to walk down any street, at any time without worry that you'll encounter someone you owe something to, or you know that you short-changed in some way. This sort of action is what will insure your presence in this trade long after those with lesser standards have fallen by the wayside.

That little voice inside that compelled you to make that extra effort is your professional conscience speaking. You had a choice, but chose to take the higher road...even though it may have been less profitable in the short term. I salute you for that decision, since it speaks volumes of your personal & professional integrity. This trade needs more people with that sense of pride in their work.

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Ken Henry
Henry & Henry Signs
London, Ontario Canada
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Posted by Diane Crowther (Member # 120) on :

A lot of people are very sensitive to things being out-of-level, and they would be the ones to notice. You did right. We've done the same thing. We always have an 8" level in the toolbox which comes in very handy...especially when doing doors. It's good as a double check when something doesn't seem quite right.

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Diane Crowther, Metaline Graphics Ltd., Nova Scotia, Canada, ID #285

Posted by Mike Pipes (Member # 1573) on :

I'da done the same thing... The butterflies in my stomach wouldnt let me sleep at night, knowing at any minute somebody's gonna notice it and call me on the phone.

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Mike Pipes
Digital Illusion Custom Graphics
Lake Havasu City, AZ
http://www.stickerpimp.com

Posted by Donna in BC (Member # 130) on :

I decal firetrucks for a large manufacturer. When he first hired me, he told me how many mistakes the previous signmaker made, and never telling him. Patchworks here and there, things off center, etc. He told me to TELL him if anything is remotely questionable, as he liked perfection.

The key to doing his kind of work is not rushing, however odd little things do happen when you do alot of work for a customer. I was so use to nitpicking my work, because he'd come along, touch his nose to the vehicle and examine everything.

I think I'm ahead of him these days. If I bring something up, he brushes it off as nothing. But let me tell you, having your work examined for years in this manner, you do it perfect or don't do it at all!

There is nothing worse than viewing a job daily that you drive past that you aren't happy with. Better to fix it and save you the grief.

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Abbotsford, BC, Canada
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Posted by Adrienne Pereira (Member # 1046) on :

Mikey...ya did the right thing, now, Roger has a point too....but still, I like your style!!!

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Splash Signs
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Benicia, CA
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Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :

Definately fix things that aren't perfect in your view. It drives me crazy if I mess something up. Even things that are off just a little bit and are most likely unseen by the normal individual. My husband is like your wife, "no one is going to notice that little @#$%^&*!"

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AMBO Design
Lake Helen, FL
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Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :

Reminds me of a job I did for an architect & mechanical drawing firm.

Put dimentional letters over the receptionists desk. Owners came out and swore it was crooked and off center.

I explained that I used a tape AND a level. Not good enough.... I explained that the track lighting they chose was causing a drop shadow that made the left side one inch and the right side 2 inches giving the whole sign a curved look to it at the bottom.

Next day, they called and said you're right, we had recessed lighing installed and it "looks" perfect now.

Gee..."Thanks".

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Mike Duncan
Lettercraft Signs
Alexandria VA

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