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Posted by Janette Balogh (Member # 192) on :
 
I just have alittle something to interject here.

It seems like many will blurt out their opinions on a thread in such a way, only to have it lead to some pretty wierd diversions from the intended topic of the post. Like say, a simple request leading to an opinion on someone's business ethics, followed by assumptions and judgements.

It's funny, because so many have harped on and on about "Off" topic posts on this BB ... but, as I see it, the problems lie in threads that severely wander off the original intent of any given topic.

I submit that perhaps the goal we each may seek to keep to the forefront here could be that we stay "on topic" with whatever the topic is ... be it "off topic" or not.

Please ... can't we just stay focused and keep some of our opinions, assumptions ... and dare I say, judgements, to ourselves?

There is a difference between voicing our opinions, and making a judgement. Delivery is a big factor in bringing that difference to light.

Just an observation.
Could I be wrong?
Nettie

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"When Love and Skill Work Together ... Expect a Masterpiece"

Janette Balogh
Creative Studio

jbalogh@earthlink.net

 

Posted by CJ Allan (Member # 52) on :
 
Just stopped by for a quick look...........only to find what I consider to be, the "Most Intellegent Post thats been on this board in the Past SIX MONTHS".
Would really be great, if only some people around here could pay attention long enough to make it work............

Problem is.....Too many only read "HALF" of a post, then go off banging on their keyboards, only to listen to their own heads rattle.........

Truth is.......there's only a handful that seem to always get a thread all twisted around to fit their own agenda.....whatever that is.....!! These same ones keep doing it over and over.....!!
If these people would simply follow Netties advise here, and pretend they have an attention span of a little more than a "Grape".........we might just be surprised to see new folks "Wanting" to post here, and some of the older ones coming back.....!! But realistically, I don't see that happening...
The way it is now...........Who needs it..!!
Thanks Nettie, GREAT POST !!

As for me........I'm oughta here again for another few weeks,( I get a hell of a lot more done, and don't miss this place at all anymore) maybe I'll check back in, maybe I won't.........See ya at Pat's !!

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CJ Allan
CJs Engraving &
Designing
Hazel, Ky.
270-492-6209
cjallan@cjs-engraving.com
www.cjs-
engraving.com
 

Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
 
I was thinking something similar about MYSELF
on answering questions on the BB. If I would just answer the question directly without all
of the explanation(here is why)there shouldn't be any drifting Off Topic.Once again the promblem is ME!!!! again the solution is also ME!!!
Should be just Black & White.with no Grey areas to bog us down.
Thanks Nettie for getting ME to look at MYSELF

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PKing is
Pat King of
King Sign Design in
McCalla,Alabama
The Professor of
SIGNOLOGY


 

Posted by Rob Larkham (Member # 2105) on :
 
Nettie- I'm as guilty as any when it comes to everything you spoke of. I'm trying to change my ways. We are a diverse crowd of people and tend to let our own opinions get in the way of the true meaning of this site. As Pat said, thanks for pointing this out!!!

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Rob Larkham
RL Graphic D-Sign
Chester, MA
rldsigns@aol.com
 

Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
 
I'm always the guilty one, always read too much of anyones post but totally believe for once what the Nettster said. Persons do go off the deep end, me first anyone care to follow?

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Grants Pass, Oregon
Learn something......
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Posted by Nevman (Member # 332) on :
 
Well put Nettie!

I read most of the posts here - day-by-day.

And I consider a lot of people here my friends.

I try to regard my friends highly.

To me, it's unfortunate and distracting, all of these diversions. I believe most of them could be addressed through e-mail.

I, for one, would not overly-criticize anyone face-to-face with 2000 people watching.

I don't mind family/pet/vacation type [OT] post as they keep me involved in my friends lives.

Letterville - we're all on the same team!

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Pat Neve, Jr.
Sign Man, Inc.
4580 N. US 1
Melbourne, FL 32935
321-259-1703
signman@signmaninc.com
Capt. Sign
Letterville Constituent
constituent: "One of the individual entities contributing to a whole"



 

Posted by Ian Wilson (Member # 177) on :
 
amen to that Nettie

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Ian Wilson
Signmaker Toowoomba City Council
Cnr Anzac Ave & Stephen st
Toowoomba Queensland Australia
may all your toubles be little ones
The man that never make a mistake never makes anything


 

Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
 
Nettie, I agree. I don't think you are wrong at all.

The only question that comes to mind is "How do we handle those who insist on redirecting the focus or intent of the original post?"

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Posted by Arvil Shep' Shepherd (Member # 2030) on :
 
I agree with Nettie also....and Glen, the obvious answer to that problem is simply not to answer the post, just ignore it

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Arvil Shep' Shepherd
Art by Shep
Oak Island, NC
shep@ec.rr.com
http://artbyshep.homestead.com/index.html
" As long as they say your name, you will live forever"
 

Posted by Mike Languein (Member # 319) on :
 
"Can't we all just get along?"

_____________________________Rodney King

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Mike Languein
Doctor of Letters
BS, MS, PhD
___________________

You know what BS is, MS is More of the Same, and it's Piled Higher and Deeper here


 

Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
 
Well said Nettie! We all come from different parts of the World, with different views on almost everything. If we all gather here in Letterville wearing our "Letterhead hats" first, things will go much smoother.

Letterheads believe in the free exchange of information, doing all we can to preserve the best of our craft's past as well as helping each other learn today's new technologys. Sometimes we just have to get our eyes back on target. Thanks for the reminder Janette.

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Steve Shortreed
144 Hill St., E.
Fergus, Ontario
Canada N1M 1G9
519-787-2673
steve@letterhead.com
ICQ 316338
www.letterhead.com/profiles/shortreed/
 

Posted by John Deaton (Member # 925) on :
 
I agree with Nettie too. Sometimes the original post is left behind a cloud of a totally different subject. S'okay to joke and play and have fun, as we all do, but don't push the post off into another direction.

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John Deaton III
Deaton Design
109 N. Cumberland Ave.,Harlan, Ky. 40831 606-573-9101

john@deatondesigns.com
www.deatondesigns.com
"Don't tailgate, or I'll flick a booger on your windshield."-Larry Richmond, 11th grade english class.
 

Posted by TBUK (Member # 443) on :
 
I find it humerirst that Many of you PAY Steve for running this BB...BUTT try to make decisions for him "in your own best intrest,,,OR to bager, and belittle the mast for self elevation........HELL here lately I even read a post TELLING Steve what to do...

As I see it'' there is ONLY ONE time, when we can tell Steve what to do,,,, and that is when we finaly have had it with this site and we TELL Steve to go screw himself.;...LOL

The rest of our visit time here is as it should be,,,, ourselves to others''

IF you are unable to communate, and you fill the need to say your sorry'' after stateing your thoughts,,, then CHURCH is a better fourm for you,, where you will be preach AT""" and you can say your sorry all god damn day,,, with a few hale marys...being the only return allowed from the crowd...

Twain,TBuk.

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Ted Bukovscak
BUKOVSCAK SIGNS
S/California
tbuk@nethere.com




 

Posted by Rob Larkham (Member # 2105) on :
 
Ted I would like to apologize for apologizing. LOL

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Rob Larkham
RL Graphic D-Sign
Chester, MA
rldsigns@aol.com
 

Posted by Santo (Member # 411) on :
 
I did it, Guilty as Charged.

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Santo Brocato
Promotion Graphics & Letters
Youngsville LA.



 

Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
 
Topic?? What topic?
As you get older and get CRS, it's hard to remain on topic...because...ummm...errrr... if.... uh? what were we saying?


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La Mirada, CA. USA
(714) 521-4810
ICQ # 330407
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Posted by Bill Preston (Member # 1314) on :
 
Awright, Si-- What is CRS? The only thing that comes to mind is Cerebral Rot Syndrome. Should I say hehehehe here?

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Bill Preston
Fly Creek, N.Y. USA
wpreston2@stny.rr.com

[This message has been edited by Bill Preston (edited July 06, 2001).]
 

Posted by jack wills (Member # 521) on :
 
What they said.
I think! Maybe. Sometimes. Can I get an
Amen?
.....................Jack

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Jack Wills
Studio Design Works
6255 Brookside Circle
Rocklin, CA 95677
writer@quiknet.com


 

Posted by captain ken (Member # 742) on :
 
What the hell is this post about anyway, I know it started as Nettie saying something about sticking to the topic, then CJ goes accusing everybody of not being intellegent.
Then you got Pat & Joey taking the blame for everybody. Then you got Rob all apologetic, and Glenn and Shep looking to outcast OT'ers, then some how Mike made it a racial war, Tbuk and Jack made it a religious thing. can we please just get back to the topic?

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"A wise man once said that, or was it a wise guy?"

Ken McTague
The Witch city
Salem, MA

 

Posted by ScooterX (Member # 2023) on :
 
for me, i kind of enjoy the off-topic rambles that develop. i think a lot of sign painters are right-brained (intuitive, artistic, less rational), and the topic posts sort of follow that random pattern of thoughts and ideas.

example: i asked how to coat out a 2x3 piece of masonite and ended up getting suggestions on pinstriping for dollars, using newspaper for lettering practice, and support for painting on refrigerators. not exactly on topic... but its all part of the mix.

there are many paths leading to the same place.

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:: Scooter Marriner ::
:: Coyote Signs ::
:: San Francisco ::
:: don't blame me... i'm just a beginner
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Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
 
Scooter I am with you on this one! I love how the posts take on new twists the farther along they go. How boring to just stay on the path. In real life conversations, topics take on new twists and turns too, and that is what spices them up.

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surf or MoJo
 on mirc
Cheryl J Nordby
Signs by Cheryl
Seattle WA.....!
signsbycheryl@hotmail.com
The person who laughs at himself will never cease to be amused!
http://www.thisismycool.com/signs/

From sharp minds come sharp products
 

Posted by Rob Larkham (Member # 2105) on :
 
Take the road less traveled!!

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Rob Larkham
RL Graphic D-Sign
Chester, MA
rldsigns@aol.com
 

Posted by Steve Shortreed (Member # 436) on :
 
I think there is an easy way we can satisfy everyone. Here's my idea.

Before making a reply, go read the first post at the top of the list and try your best to answer or address the question and/or topic. With that done, feel free to address another issue or start a new topic.

Since we switched to this BB, almost 70,000 post have been made. That's a pile of information that is available for all of us to access. Last week, we saved, and then deleted almost 40,000 posts. We took great care to sort out what posts to keep and what to eliminate.

Keep this in mind when you post. Your words may very well live on here for years to come.

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Steve Shortreed
144 Hill St., E.
Fergus, Ontario
Canada N1M 1G9
519-787-2673
steve@letterhead.com
ICQ 316338
www.letterhead.com/profiles/shortreed/
 

Posted by Louis A Lazarus (Member # 763) on :
 
Ya know...we just might need a new law. Let's contact our representatives and have them introduce the ROT (Remaining On Topic) Bill of 2001. We need censorship! It is urgent that we all think alike for the good of the sign industry. No more off topic stuff...indeed. Once we establish the topic, we will then need to establish the relevant importance of that topic and then form a committee to put these "topics" in order so that we can discuss them efficiently without wasting a lot of time jabbering on this and that. After we vote on which topic is really important we can then all put our heads together and by thinking exactly alike...come up with the RIGHT answer....
Seriously, however, Nettie....it's a great idea and all that...but it ain't gonna work because people are people and they get "off topic" by nature. Just think about the next conversation you have with somebody and pay attention to just how "off topic" that gets. This forum is no different...IMHO that is.

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Louis A. Lazarus
Milt's Sign Service, Inc.
20 So. Linden Ave. #5B
650-588-0490
fontking1a@aol.com


 

Posted by Diane Malesky (Member # 687) on :
 
I think this BB has changed drastically since it first began. I still like the replys I get. I tend not to post or get involved because it feels like there is a certain group that has more time to be here than we do.

I think it's just the nature of the beast. People will read what they want into what they read.

I think we're all in different positions of our careers, different areas, different customers, different ages, different experiences, different whatever, etc.... We're different people together in the same line of business. It's this way in any business.

When a certain few get together at Meets they are, obviously, going to have more in common. Or, if they live near eachother,etc...

I was surprized to see that Nettie pointed this out. It must be apparent to the people who run this bb what's up. I posted a post a while ago about cliques. I had some responses I could have taken the wrong way - like people not knowing how long I've been involved. Just because you aren't posting all the time doesn't mean you aren't involved.

It could be worse. My husband goes to BBs that are bruital. If you worked in a big corporation you always have different personalities. Plus, it seems like the world is getting this way - in a big hurry to go no where; and nobody puts themselves in eachother's shoes anymore. I live too close to the big cities probably.

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Sellersville, PA
summitsigns@erols.com

Without obstacles, life's path is boring.
 

Posted by Rosemary (Member # 1926) on :
 
I try to stay out of the ones I know nothing about, but it's fun to read the guys' stuff when they're all swelled up and strutting their stuff. My dad moderates on two firearm boards and nobody gives him any guff there. But he knows what he's talking about too. He's always told me that it's good to know what you're talking about if your a moderator, but it's better to read and learn at the same time. There's always somebody out there with some new knowledge. Maybe here too......no?

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Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
 
Naaaah! Rosemary...this BB is full of egotistical, big mouth,opinionated, cliquish, braggart who think that they know everything!

(Ooops! sounds like me!)

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Si Allen #562
La Mirada, CA. USA
(714) 521-4810
ICQ # 330407
"SignPainters do It with Longer Strokes!"

95% of all accidents occur immediately after the words "Hey...watch this."

Brushasaurus on Chat

Gladly supporting this BB !
 

Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
 
Nah, Wanda just said you were definately talking about me, Si.

Now how did that Carly Simon tune go?

Hehehe

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Posted by Rosemary (Member # 1926) on :
 
I know, Si! That's why you and Dad get along so well! ........................and that's the kind of guys I love! No wimps!

hehe

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Girls carve too!
Behind every good Woman, there's a man.............waiting.

http://www.stmariegraphics.com


1911SRs and Paul Reed Smith Bass Guitars!
 

Posted by Arvil Shep' Shepherd (Member # 2030) on :
 
Glenn,,,Was it "Youre so Vain" ??????

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Arvil Shep' Shepherd
Art by Shep
Oak Island, NC
shep@ec.rr.com
http://artbyshep.homestead.com/index.html
" As long as they say your name, you will live forever"
 

Posted by Glenn Taylor (Member # 162) on :
 

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