Would a 13 oz banner with reinforced corners, grommets and webbing be sufficient for hanging over a two lane highway for about 3 weeks?
Also, I have heard that wind vents make banners week. Will a 13 oz banner hold up without them.
Approx. 3'x20' I think! Thanks!
------------------ Amy Brown AMBO Design Lake Helen, FL jabrown@cfl.rr.com
"If only my toddler was better with paint & computers!"
Posted by Brian Stoddard (Member # 39) on :
I would leave out the vents, for the amount of air they allow through its not worth looking at an ugly banner. Talk to your banner supply for this one - I have been using royal banner, they are a supplier here and have been real helpful http://www.royalbanner.com/ I would go with a 13 oz, with webbing top and bottom and grommets. The key is getting it installed right. Our local utility company does them here pretty reasonable and they will only allow them if they are stretch appropiatly by tight cables, its the only way to go....
------------------ 425-898-9817 Brian Stoddard Expressions Signs Sammamish WA
Posted by J & N Signs (Member # 901) on :
18 oz. is the way to go.....for hanging over roads. Canadian Signcrafters is where I get mine.. On colored banners they had to sew two 14 oz back to back with seat belt webbing at the edges. Worked out fine. One has been hanging for 7 months and the other two for 2 months.
------------------ Mario G. Lafreniere aka Fergie.
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Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Fergie gave it to ya! 13oz? 20'? Highly unlikely. Even with reincorced corners and horizontals, the area where it's stitched is STILL only 13oz. I wouldn't roll the dice on this one.
my .02
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Posted by Aladd (Member # 1996) on :
It would make it if you hung it with bungee cords that way the bungee takes up the wind tension.It just moves & stretches and pops right back in place.You can go to Lowe's if you have one? and get the about any length.I've had a 10 oz hung at my shop for over a year with Bungee cords still not rips no tears no errors.And we get some high winds.
------------------ Alan Ladd Atlanta,Ga
Posted by Aladd (Member # 1996) on :
Sorry must have entered twice.
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Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
I should have mentioned that I am donating this banner for our towns Independence Day Celebration. I was trying not to spend too much $$ as I just don't have it to give out. Do you think it would be worth $200 in materials for the advertising?
------------------ Amy Brown AMBO Design Lake Helen, FL jabrown@cfl.rr.com
"If only my toddler was better with paint & computers!"
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Amy, elaborate. That banner shouldn't cost more than $37 at most. Another $25 worth of economy film and your cutting and install time. You can certainly write off the $200 as a donation. Is that what you're angling for? If it is, then..........why not? And I'd do the 13oz anyway if it's a donation.
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
Posted by Brian Stoddard (Member # 39) on :
Well what do I know, I didnt even know they made an 18 oz. I have bought 15 oz double sided before. Pierre, I need to find your supplier! That seems awful cheap for even a 13 oz, I was thinking about $50 for the banner plus shipping and then some cheapo vinyl and tape for maybe $80 or so total, still not $200 though. How are they going to let people know about your generosity? An ad in the local paper would be nice. A label on the banner would not be of much use
------------------ 425-898-9817 Brian Stoddard Expressions Signs Sammamish WA
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Yo, Bri! Pacific in Spokane. Guess you have to add shipping, another $5 to us.
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
Posted by VICTORGEORGIOU (Member # 474) on :
Amy - I would always go with the heaviest banner the job will allow, but having said that, I am not afraid of a properly rigged 13 ounce banner. The problem is not so much the 13 oz but rather the question is "where does the wind load go?". If you hang it by the four corners, all the load in the banner goes to those points and tears the banner corners. Tying it at 2 foot intervals across the top helps, but the load does not spread evenly and still winds up in the corners. If you have not purchased the banner I strongly recommend a rope top. The load goes to the rope and not to the corners and this is better.
I did banners with wind vents until the weekend there was a wind storm that turned a banner to spaghetti - what a disaster. When we investigated, we found that every "run" started at the corner of a wind vent.
Without a wind vent, the weak point is the stitch at the hem. If it blows open there You can sew on a patch. So - no wind vents.
Hope this is clear and helpful to you. Vic G
------------------ Victor Georgiou AnchorBlanks.com Jack Wills Clipart CD's & FONTS Designer Sign Blanks
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Hey, Vic. We use vents all the time, but we begin by using a woodburning iron and poke round holes thru the banner first, melting the material, then connect the holes with the curved louver. Never a tear that way.
------------------ St.Marie Graphics & Makin' Tracks Sound Studio Kalispell, Montana stmariegraphics@centurytel.net http://www.stmariegraphics.com 800 735-8026 We're chiseling every day of the week! :^)
Posted by Si Allen (Member # 420) on :
I HATE banners with vents!!!! Why ruin the looks of a banner with those silly half moon cuts? How much wind load you ging to eliminate ...run the math... 5% to 8%....otherwise it will look like Swiss Cheese! When in doubt, go to the next heavier material....and save the looks of all your hard work!
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Posted by mikesign (Member # 1930) on :
13 oz. is ok if you sew ropes in top and bottom hem.
Mike Montag
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Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Amy
Can I mention one thing!
You said that you are going to donate this Banner. But do you realize that you are still under liability of your insurance if something goes wrong. Go as heavy as you can afford 18-20-22-24 OZ and get help or hire installers. or ask for a waver if the company is doing the install themselves.
If you product fails and falls across the windshield of a car and they cross over the road to the sidewalk and hit people...(You are still liable.
Remember this may be for a good cause but they WILL BLAME YOU!if something goes wrong!
Talk to your suppliers on weight and wind loads on size of Banner. A full seamed rope banner is better than grommets.
------------------ Raven/2001 Airbrushed by Raven Lower Sackville N.S. deveausdiscovery@sprint.ca
Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
Pierre,
Ameriban told me $87 for a 3'x30' 16 oz and $69 for 14 oz. You know a source that sells them cheaper? I am thinking it will be around $130 for the banner and vinyl. Guess that's a little cheaper than the aforementioned amount. I agree that I should probably use the heavy banner without the wind vents. Like some mentioned, they look tacky to me!
Thanks for the replies!
------------------ Amy Brown AMBO Design Lake Helen, FL jabrown@cfl.rr.com
"If only my toddler was better with paint & computers!"
Posted by J & N Signs (Member # 901) on :
If donated and used as a promo for your business use the best available material even if it costs you $350.00. What other advertising can you get for that amount....do a good job and word of mouth will take over... I did a cheap banner job last year cause the customer was budgeted. Didn't last 2 weeks. Redid it at no cost with better banner material. I figured my name was on the line at this point. He appreciated the gesture and I got over $3000.00 sales with the same customer this year. Easy on the yellow pages and concentrate on your existing customers..
------------------ Mario G. Lafreniere aka Fergie.
jnsigns@onlink.net Chapleau, Ontario home of "The World's Largest Game Preserve" Spring is upon us,in Shania Twain Country. Farewell snow,here comes the mosquito!
"I cut it twice and it's still too short!"
Posted by Amy Brown (Member # 1963) on :
Stephen,
The city workers will be installing it. They always do in our little town of 2500 people. I will bring that up with them. The police chief is charge of all the July 4th projects. Thanks for the heads up!
------------------ Amy Brown AMBO Design Lake Helen, FL jabrown@cfl.rr.com
"If only my toddler was better with paint & computers!"
Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Good Luck Amy! I hope it brings you more business than you can handle!!!!! Then you have to hire someone...... Would you like a resume!!! LOL.
------------------ Raven/2001 Airbrushed by Raven Lower Sackville N.S. deveausdiscovery@sprint.ca
Posted by Monte Jumper (Member # 1106) on :
Amy...Across the street banners are best installed with a cable top and bottom from ploe to pole and it makes it easy to install...place a grommet every 24" (top and bottom)and use "repair links" (caribiners) to hook the banner to the cables...and simply slide it across the cables and tension as tight as possible. If you have ever been sailing you will know that the tighter the sail the less wind it will trap.Also remember ...any time you place a banner where it can get wind it becomes a "spinnaker"and the ship it's trying to drive is EARTH.(THE BANNER WILL GIVE UP BEFORE THE EARTH PICKS UP SPEED.) You might consider a 16 ozz. and wind holes...Liability should be a concern to you and make sure someone else is willing to accept it.Our town quit the over the street banners when one came loose and slapped someones windshield when the utility pole it was attached to broke off at the ground.Sure was exciting tho!(Any thing for a cheap thrill) Good luck!
------------------ Monte Jumper SIGNLanguage/Norman.Okla.
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