my app. tape not sticking to vinyl! i am using transfer rite tape and R tape. when i try to remove the vinyl it the (tape) releases from the vinyl. vinyl stays put. any ideas to what might be wrong ? yes i squige(think i spelled it right..lol) it very well. the 2 rolls of vinyl i have had problem with i sent back but im thinking its the tape! what do you foks think ?
Whats the humididty level in your shop? This could be a problem. Ive had this problem at the company i used to work for. Try the RLA tape from R tape, it seems to be stronger, its a little more expensive but it'll save you the headaches! Hope this helps! Ryan
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Posted by Dave Grundy (Member # 103) on :
Glenn..A couple of ideas...
First...application tape comes in various "tackiness" light, medium and strong. Make sure you get the stuff with medium or strong adhesive.
Second, and this is one that has caused me problems in the past. Before weeding the vinyl make sure you wash your hands to get rid of the oils on your skin and at this time of the year when you are probably working in short sleeves, wash your arms too. It is amazing how much skin oil gets transfered to the vinyl while you are weeding and this will cause the transfer tape to not stick to the vinyl.
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Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Yup yup....Davey's right in there. One other question....is the film premium or economy? The low tack premask sometimes doesn't work well on economy.
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Posted by Glenn Dewey (Member # 1804) on :
thanks all !!! yes its a calendered vinyl and a medium tack tape. I try to keep it cool in the shop. so humididty is low. dont like to sweat!
I find that LIFT OFF tape from Richards Distributing is better than R-Tape....
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
as dave says...and keep you hands off the vinyl as much possable...before you put vinly in cutter, wipe it down with rubbing alcohol....and if you i-tal-yan...your body grease level is really high....hehehehehehehe
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
as dave says...and keep you hands off the vinyl as much possable...before you put vinly in cutter, wipe it down with rubbing alcohol....and if you i-tal-yan...your body grease level is really high....hehehehehehehe
------------------ joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-944-5060 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND
Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
as dave says...and keep you hands off the vinyl as much possable...before you put vinly in cutter, wipe it down with rubbing alcohol....and if you i-tal-yan...your body grease level is really high....hehehehehehehe
------------------ joe pribish-A SIGN MINT 2811 longleaf Dr. pensacola, fl 32526 850-944-5060 BEWARE THE TRUTH.....YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU FIND
Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Geez, Joe. i-tal-yans don't triple post! I have a lot of respect for them anyway. I ALways use Italian tires. Dago fast, dago slow, dago forward and dago backwards. And when dago flat dago wop wop wop wop wop...................hehe
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Posted by SIGNBOY99 on :
I agree with Tasmus, I like LIFT-OFF much better than R-Tape. I won't use anything else.
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Posted by Bruce Evans (Member # 44) on :
We were using Trasferite most of the time and then switched to Conform-Rtape. We thought this was the holy grail of tape until we were installing on a nice hot day. The tape starts turning a yellowish color when it sits in the sun and then when you try to apply it releases from the vinyl. When indoors or a cold day...it works great.
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Posted by Bernice Tornquist (Member # 16) on :
Yes, I agree that 'Lift-off' IS the BEST.
I got a sample sent to me when I ordered their (Richards Distributing) tape dispenser.
Gotta' get me some more.
Do they advertise here? They should (if they don't) after this plug.
Rather than lifting the letters along with the application tape, try turning the work over with the application tape facing down on your work table. Peel the backing paper away from the lettering. This seems to work much better than trying to peel away the application tape with the letters attached.
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Posted by Bernice Tornquist (Member # 16) on :
Yes, Roy, you are right....was just going to say that!
I have had a couple of batches of app tape with a bad batch of glue or maybe your supplier has had it on the shelf tooo long I have found this a problem in the past
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Posted by jimmy chatham (Member # 525) on :
Roger it is releasing from the vinyl before it is applied dont think soaking it with rapid anything will help.haha
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Posted by Donna in BC (Member # 130) on :
Certain brands of vinyl also make this a pain. Avery vinyl is notorious (sp?) for sticking to the backing paper, especially if your cutting is alittle too deep.
pierre: LOL!! I recently had a problem with a Firestone tire on my truck blowing out and doing some damage as the tread lashed at my body panels... you tellin me it's cause dey i taliun?.. =)
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Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
make sure your blade is sharp.
if the blade doesn't "kiss cut" the vinyl, then the blade is cutting too deep into the backing.
when a blade gets dull, we all tend to add more weight.
i have found that is one of the reasons why the vinyl doesn't want to release from the backing.
in effect the blade is cutting through the vinyl and the backing. thus the application tape is trying to pick up the vinyl and separated cut lines of the backing.
maybe it is not your application tape causing the problem.
I have had problems with oracal vinyl doing this. I have used the same tape on some other high performance vinyl under the same conditions and it worked fine. Go figure!!
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Posted by Glenn Dewey (Member # 1804) on :
Thanks everyone!!!! lot of great post Im going try each one and see what one works best for me !!!
