I do a good bit of leaf work, mostly surface gilding on carved signs, and I don't often get excited over it. But today I tried out a tip I heard somewhere, and it worked so well I have to share. The job is for several sets of gilded Gemini letters. I had always just sized and gilded with LeFranc slow size, but this time, as I sized each letter, I then took a clean cotton cloth and wiped as much of the size as possible off the letters, leaving a very thin film of size. I let them set over night, and gilded this morning using loose XX surface gold. The size - it was two-thirds Lefranc 12-hour and one-third One Shot fast size - had no discernable tack, but it took gold beautifully, and the burnish is absolutely stunning, almost mirror-bright. In all the years I've been gilding, I've never had such a bright burnish. Like I said, I don't get excited about gold work very often, but this was someting I had to share. I don't recall where I heard or read that tip on wiping off the size, but I recommend it to anyone who's doing gilded freestanding letters. BTW, these were six-inch high, round-face Roman letters. I have another set to do of 12" high letters, same style, and I'm looking forward to them.
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Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
Thanks Cam! I will try that next time. The best mirror finish gild I have ever gotten was by just using one shot.
Will this also work with other objects? I am currently in the process of gilding very small thin animal bones.You don't want to hear why and what kind of bone. Thanks
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Posted by Joe Rees (Member # 211) on :
Hmmm, I'm gonna have to look into this. Thanks Cam.
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Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
99.999% of what I do goes outdoors, so I am always geared to what will hold up to weather. I can't imagine why the thickness of the size film would be an issue; more important is the adherence of size to substrate. I scuff the letters with 400 grit paper, and wipe them with alcohol. I also screw the metal studs to the backs of the letters before sizing, so I can handle them without touching the size or gold.
Gold size is not paint; it's job is not to protect and seal a surface, but to adhere leaf. The leaf itself is much thinner at 3 millionths of an inch, than any size film, and holds up fine.
Yes we do, Duckie! Confess! You've been gold-leafing roadkill again, haven't you?
------------------ "A wise man concerns himself with the truth, not with what people believe." - Aristotle
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Raoul Duke (Hunter S. Thompson)
Cam Finest Kind Signs 256 S. Broad St. Pawcatuck, Ct. 06379 "Award winning Signs since 1988"
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Posted by Mark Fair Signs (Member # 289) on :
ya know, i don't usually get this excited about gold leaf!!!!
Cam, thanks for the riminder. Have you ever tried the Instacol process? Many times we've found the real bright gilds too difficult to read....just too much glare. We'd need to tone down with burnishing.
Also, Cam, have you tried airbrushing a thin layer of size on those letters?
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Posted by Nevman (Member # 332) on :
Thanks for the tip Cam.
I've got a project coming up that has various entranceway signs in a subdivision.
I'll try your technique on a few, and airbrush some size as well to see which works out better.
When it's done, I will post my observations.
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Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
GREAT Tip Cam!I can tell the difference right away on these animal bones.Where you have to remember I am guilding the ENTIRE bone (360 degrees)Thanks again Cam. BTW there are 6 of them from 6 seperate animals that sometimes do wind up as roadkill But... that is not what they were used for in the days of Daniel Boone.
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Posted by Greg Sellers (Member # 900) on :
I was at Pat's earlier today, I dont think it was roadkill. I think it was the bones of a ...... DUCK?
You got it CJ!! Sorry but there was no prize included for this question
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Posted by Cam Bortz (Member # 55) on :
Is there an echo in here....?
------------------ "A wise man concerns himself with the truth, not with what people believe." - Aristotle
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. - Raoul Duke (Hunter S. Thompson)
Cam Finest Kind Signs 256 S. Broad St. Pawcatuck, Ct. 06379 "Award winning Signs since 1988"
Posted by stein Saether (Member # 430) on :
This technick was used for giling the inside of glass ball too be mounted on top of flag poles. How it will hold up as surface gild is yet to see My guess it is ok
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Posted by John Kurtzman (Member # 1736) on :
Cam; Temperature and humidity may have an affect on a gold leaf burnish. I recall back in the 1950's watching some old pro's (Sign Guy's) at the boat yards mixing on site their sizing for the conditions of the day. They would not start a gold leaf job before 10:am, or untill the moisture of the night was evaporated from the ground. Proportions of "Fat Oil" and spar varnish reflected the immediate weather and or past experience, so they might predict their return to the shop or get to their next job. Also, if a transom was not facing north, a tarp was placed over it so the sun would not affect the sizing. All this seems elementary to me now, however as I look over my shoulder, I realize that my experience comes from a time when three cornered hats, and buckels on shoes were "just" out of vogue here in New England... 23K is still 23K... so it's not so much "whatchew got baby"... it's how you apply it.
Kurtzman...since gold was $23 bucks an oz...
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