I know this subject has came up sever times and I searched for the info. but can't find the right page. I'm going to buy a good airbrush....probably the Paasche VL. Next is the paint. I want to put fades and stuff on vinyl graphics for outside use. Can I go with waterbased paints and get as good a life?
Thanks
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Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Iwata airbrushes and AutoAir paints with catalyst and BondAll. That's all youse need!
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Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Tony As Pierre said.. A good airbrush with a waterbase paint and the right set of rules of (Start to finish) you will have no problems. Always clear your finished project!
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Posted by Don Coplen (Member # 127) on :
Tony, IMHO the paasche vl doesn't hold a candle to an awita eclipse...not even in the same ballpark. (I own both, but would never even consider a VL now)
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Posted by Stephen Deveau (Member # 1305) on :
Don You are right about an all around Airbrush. The Eclipes is the little work horse and the other one in the same price ball park, is the Vega 2000.. Good little guns! But if you get into the Micro series of these little gems... Then you get finer detail and quality. HB series. People will have to learn the different values to the airguns they use. Overall spraying to the fine line detailing... It like a number #16 Quill to a #001. Dagger brush.
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Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
I have a Vega 2000, then bought an Omni from Thayer & Chandler. Both are darn good brushes. In fact, a rep from T&C claimed that Iwata stole the design from T&C.
Eclipse or Omni are great airbrushes. You wouldn't be disapointed in either one.
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Posted by R T Thomas (Member # 355) on :
Hey Tony, You can't go wrong with an Eclipse. I use airbrush acrylics and a UV clear on all my vinyl. Just scuff it a bit with a scotchbrite pad and wipe down with alcohol before cutting then paint. Heatset with a hairdryer or heatgun and clear. I can do it all including install in less than 15 minutes on a small job. As long as you scuff and heatset you can mask the vinyl almost as soon as the UV clear tacks off. Hope this helps, R.T.
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Posted by Mikes Mischeif (Member # 1744) on :
I bought a complete airbrush kit last year, sprayed a (auto air)yellow-orange-red fade, cleared it with one shot uv coating and saw it 6 months later with the orange and yellow GONE! I quit doing airbrushed stuff after I saw that. I can't afford to lose customers with that goin' on.
I've gone back to the pre-"airbrushed vinyl from K&R rainbow. that stuff lasts forever!
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Posted by R T Thomas (Member # 355) on :
Mike, I can understand where you're coming from on that. Some of the colors have a tendency to fade over time. Especially the reds. The only problem with using the "already" graduated vinyl is that you are extremely limited in the look you can get. If my customer demands colors that I know will fade I always make sure they know not to expect it to last as long as the more colorfast ones. I've really not had that much trouble with the colors I use however. I have jobs out there going on 4 years with very little fading. Did you happen to use a flouro yellow? If so, it will be gone before you get the job installed!! I don't care a lot for Auto Air anyway. Tried it years ago when it first came out and just wasn't impressed. I do have some of the pearl red on a sign that is still going strong after about 4 years though. The best way to go in your circumstance might be basecoat/clearcoat. I've never used it on vinyl, but I know a few that do and they say it works really well. Another alternative is vinyl inks used by silkscreeners. I hear they hold up quite well also. Hope you find something that will make you pick that brush back up and start doing some awesome effects on vinyl!! See ya, R.T.
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