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Posted by Bernice Tornquist (Member # 16) on :
 
The banner material that is NOT enamel receptive coated, that is, or otherwise the banner material that is used for pressure sensitive vinyl...

What happens...does it...

1. Not dry?
2. Peel off in a short time?

I haven't experimented with it, so I don't know. It sure flows on OK, but I just put some on now for a test.

I know that you know out there in Letterville.

Thanks.

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Bernice Tornquist
Bernice's Signs & Graphics
Nipawin, SK Canada
tornquist@sk.sympatico.ca

 

Posted by Deb Fowler (Member # 1039) on :
 
Bernice,

There is Tycoat to coat the banner to make it enamel receptive. I have used it and you can brush with a foam brush or roll it on.
I am also wondering if it is still as good as it was. It sometimes yellows, but it surely used to work well. You have to always wipe down the banner too when it comes from the factory whether it is used for vinyl or paint. If they are not enamel receptive to make it enamel receptive this is the product I found to work. I used it in Fla. all the time too!
Let me know how it works for you. I know Creative Banner Assembles used to carry it, or Tubelite.
check around. without it the enamel is sure to peel.

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Deb
Creative Signs

 

Posted by Jerry Mathel (Member # 526) on :
 
Hi Bernice,

You are correct on both counts. I takes forever to dry and it peels in short order. If you really get in a jam, and you have to do it that way, thin the 1-Shot with some MEK. (Methyl-ethyl-keytone) Not really recommended for everyday use, but it will get you by in a pinch. Most paint stores carry MEK. That just happens to be the solvent that Krylon uses, which makes it dry fast and bite into vinyl. Mix up just what you are going to use. Don't try to pour the thinned 1-Shot back in the can.

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Jerry Mathel
Jerry Mathel Signs
Grants Pass, Oregon
signs@grantspass.com
 

Posted by Joe Rees (Member # 211) on :
 
Hi Bernice. Deb's right, as you will find out from your test - it will take days to dry and when it finally does, it will practically fall right off. TieCoat is handy stuff to have around, a time-tested, proven remedy. Goes on easy, dries fast and 1-shot loves it. Waaaay better than trying to use vinyl inks.

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Joe Rees
Cape Craft Signs
(Cape Cod, MA)
http://www.capecraft.com
http://www.dave-joe-show.com
e-mail: joerees@capecraft.com


 

Posted by Glen Perye Jr (Member # 159) on :
 
the solvents in the paint will pull the solvents in the banner fabric out and the paint only skins over and never really dries
and doen't get a bite in to the fabric. One shot and the other paint makers all have thier version. it is a acrylic latex product that seals the banner fabric so the paint has some thing to bite too. it also keeps the solvents in the banner from migrating.
it generally doesn't start to cause probleems till the banner is in the customers hands and you have cashed and spent thier check.
you can coat the banners your self or buy banners are ready done. you still have to wipe the banner down before coating it just like before you stick vinyl on it. Have had coated and painted banners in use off and on for over 10 years. but the are taken care of by the people using them so they don't have to get new ones for the same sponsers each year.
This is one step you can not cut out to save a couple of bucks. If you do it will come back and haunt you. check back in the bullboard for the last week or so I think there was another post on the same subject.

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PTSideshow
been there, probally done that.
Wizard Works Show Supply
Magic Props FX Signage Banners Ect.



 

Posted by Bernice Tornquist (Member # 16) on :
 
Thanks Deb, Jerry, Joe, Glen for your advice.

All my banner material is for pressure sensitive vinyl only and I'm a little stubborn about trying to use this up.

I agree with your comment, Joe, about using something else rather than vinyl inks...I've used vinyl inks and they certainly adhere but not so much fun to work with. Met you at Mazeppa...I'm honored to have you reply to my post.

I knew that Letterville would come through for me, as usual!!! Thanks.

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Bernice Tornquist
Bernice's Signs & Graphics
Nipawin, SK Canada
tornquist@sk.sympatico.ca

 

Posted by roger bailey (Member # 556) on :
 
Try washing with Rapid Prep before anything is done, let me know what you think !!

Roger

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Roger Bailey
Rapid Tac Incorporated
Waikoloa, Hawaii



 

Posted by Steve Barba (Member # 431) on :
 
Bernice- The product you need is called "Waterborne Primer" Brush or spray on, dries clear in 30 minutes, then paint it like normal. I did a vinyl tire cover once,(without the primer), and it didnt dry for a month.
Do not use MEK- I don't know what that product's purpose is, but I know its very nasty. We used to call it Methyl Ethyl Death.

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Steve Barba is the proud owner, president, & sole employee of Sturgis Sign Works.
"B0LT" on the chat room thing.
209 Oak Drive
Sturgis SD 57785
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605-720-7667


 

Posted by Alex Pate (Member # 1302) on :
 
Bernice, I use a product called Chromatic Waterborn Acrylic Coating you just brush it on, dries quickly than proceed with your 1 Shot lettering, I have been using this method since years and it works great. Hope this helps.

Alex

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Alex Pate
Alex Fine Signs
Nova Scotia,
Canada.



 

Posted by Bernice Tornquist (Member # 16) on :
 
Thanks again for your help...am printing this out for my records.

There's quite a variety of ways of doing this, I see.

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Bernice Tornquist
Bernice's Signs & Graphics
Nipawin, SK Canada
tornquist@sk.sympatico.ca

 



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