I have applied One Shot Bulletin Paint to a enamel rreceptive banner material..over 24 hours ago..stil not dry..What have I done wrong..or do i need to wait longer..Understand diffferent conditions weather temp etc play a large part..but under ideal conditions what should i expect..
thanks
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Posted by Ken Henry (Member # 598) on :
Hello Donald. With enamel-receptive banners, you must clean the surface thoroughly with windex, and wipe dry with a clean rag BEFORE applying any paints or vinyls to the surface. This is to remove any plasticisers that may have migrated to the surface, and are present as a contaminant. These will mix with your paint, and PREVENT that paint from drying properly. This is especially true of the reds and maroon colours. You should have received an instruction sheet with the roll of material that stated this preliminary step.
Another possibility is that the material that you've used has an insufficient amoumt of coating...or none at all. I did receive an unprepped roll from my supplier that had been labelled wrong, and consequently shipped in error. They replaced the entire roll at no charge, but I wasted a lot of time finding out that I'd been working with material that hadn't been enamel-coated at all.
Hope this helps you out.
------------------ Ken Henry Henry & Henry Signs London, Ontario Canada (519) 439-1881 e-mail kjmlhenry@home.
Some days you get to be the dog....other days, you get to be the fire hydrant.
Posted by Bill Biggs (Member # 18) on :
I have had that problem before, I corrected it by not using enamel. I find thinned screen printing vinyl ink (thinned with slow thinner) Works good, doesn't hurt your brushes, errors are removeable with a little laquer thinner. and the banner holds up much better than enamel, no cracking. Only problem I have ever had was someone folding it to its own face and storing in the heat, it will soften and stick together, making it totally unusable. If you must use vinyl, clean the banner with alcohol and then windex, some banners have an oil or plasticiser to keep them flexible, that needs to be removed. Bill
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Posted by cheryl nordby (Member # 1100) on :
Same thing happened to me once. My customer was going to show up in about an hour......I called the paint company and they told me to flush the banner with very cold water. It worked.....!
Did you folks get free samples from us ??? If so, why would you still be using windex ???? The residues of glass cleaners are only "tempting fate". Use something designed for the job ! Use Rapid Prep.
Roger
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Posted by Ken Henry (Member # 598) on :
Roger. The reason that I use windex is because that's what the instruction sheet supplied with the roll of enamel-kote banner material SPECIFIES. They do not specify Rapid Prep, or any other product. I've done this step, as per THEIR instructions, without any sort of failure many times. If you feel that Rapid Prep might do a better job, take it up with the banner manufacturers...they might just agree with you. BTW, can you guarantee that your product would NOT adversly react with the chemical coating on the banner, and cause drying or adhesion problems? Have you done any testing that would lead you to believe ABSOLUTELY that no problems would result??
I like your products, and use them daily, and I go by the instructions for using your products correctly. I also extend this to OTHER products ...hence the use of Windex...THEIR instructions.
------------------ Ken Henry Henry & Henry Signs London, Ontario Canada (519) 439-1881 e-mail kjmlhenry@home.
Some days you get to be the dog....other days, you get to be the fire hydrant.
Posted by Jerry Mathel (Member # 526) on :
Hi Donald,
This may not be a factory recommended method, but it has worked for me. I wipe down the banner with Rapid-Prep using cheap paper kitchen towels, and then I thin the 1-Shot with a bit of MEK (Methyl-ethyl-keytone). It seems to "bite" into the vinyl banner material and there is seldom any drying problem. Thinning with mineral spirits seems to make the problem worse. I don't try to save the 1-Shot that has been thinned with MEK other than to keep it long enough to use it for touch up. You should be able to find MEK in most commercial paint stores.
------------------ Jerry Mathel Jerry Mathel Signs Grants Pass, Oregon signs@grantspass.com
