Having looked at your website, and, seeing your work.......have you ever engraved on glass.......?.........I am going to expand my horizon's in the new year, combining sandblasted glass and engraved high-lites. My reseach to date indicates using a large wheel,[high speed] and hand held grinders of 300,000 rpm......My main "niche" is toward auto glass graphics........removing the glass is too labour intensive, so, me think's the hand grinder thing may be the answer..........TIA.......Ron
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Posted by Pierre St.Marie (Member # 1462) on :
Hey, Ron.........The three methods we've used are sandblasting, acid etching and highlighting and outlining with a Foredom and a diamond bit. It's a whole different world. The diamonds bit s are EXPENSIVE......but it's the only way I've found that works. There must be some of the other guys/gals that do it too that can give more insight. Let me know when you've done something to show & tell.
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Posted by ron norwood (Member # 1492) on :
Thanx for the quick response..."Foredom" I am not familiar.......I have purchased a full set of diamond bits.....I guess what I'm looking for is input on grinders...the internet search I have done is 3/4 100k grinders..that's really fast...I believe my Dremel is 30,000.....I would think that 300,000 rpm you would need oil/water mist? Anyone help on this......?
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Posted by Dave Ginley (Member # 1723) on :
hitest...I used to do vehicle windows with a very simple etcher or vibrapeen like you would use to mark electronics..it did a fair job..at that time though I had my eye on a complete setup that had a dentist drill..some of the work I saw done with it was nice..it was alot smoother looking then the vibrapeen, but I never had anybody complain and I never broke any glass..
Dave
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Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Hitest, a Foredom is a dremel like tool that works from a compressor with air to turn the bit. This way you can control the speed you need up to lets say 300,000 RPM. Foredom is used exclusively in precision work. Foredom is better known as the tool that Paragrave engraving systems use . Foredom is located in Connecticut and they also make the diamond bits as well as other precision mini tools. Hope this helps........
joey...foredom makes air tools too? my foredom is electric (electric motor with flexible shaft)
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Posted by old paint (Member # 549) on :
PARAGRAVER.....saw adds on the back of hot rod mags years ago....try searchin the web....it was a kit designed by a dentist....
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Posted by Dave Sherby (Member # 698) on :
The only Foredom tools I've seen are all flex shaft driven by an electric motor. I use a poor man's version of theForedom, basicaly the same thing made overseas by Woodtek.
I experimented with dentist bits and other diamond cutters and they engrave glass quite well with a flex shaft grinder. A Dremmel type tool will also work. My son engraved a replica of Michael Jordan on glass that turned out awesome.
My sister in law bought a Paragraving tool and sent me the VHS tape that came with it. It was invented by a dentist. It is simply a dentist's tool that has the bit spinning inline in relation to the handle. Dentist drills spin at a 90 degree angle. They are driven by an air turbine which is how they achieve the hundred's of thousands rpm's. They are great at carving very small detail especially on fragil items. Carving egg shells are done with these tools. They DO lack torque though. They carve by speed, and just like a dentist drill, when you apply more than a small amount of pressure, they will quickly come to a grinding hault. (pun intended) Very cool tool but very pricy. My inlaws spent $800 on their kit which was the original invented by the dentist. My Woodtek foot controlled variable speed flex shaft grinder runs $140. Same thing in a Foredom is $255. While looking up these prices, I found a 400,000 rpm air turbine tool for $299. These prices are from Woodworkers of New Mexico (Woodtek) and Klingspor for the Foredom and turbine @ www.woodworkingshop.com
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Posted by Joey Madden (Member # 1192) on :
Whether or not the Paragrave air tool was designed by a dentist is irrelevant as the tool is made by Foredom. Foredom manufactures miniture air tools as well as electric, view their site at http://www.foredom.com If you visit their site you can download the air tools page and get a complete description of the tool plus the prices. Using the correct bits will make work much easier for detail then using the wrong bits and trying to apply more pressure. Using this tool will be as easy a using a pen to write with, a dremel on the other hand takes pressure because the RPM's are much lower and much harder to control. This tool will also carve wood gun stocks as well as egg shells, glass, aluminum and just about anything your mind can think of, all you need are the correct bits and a good imagination.
First of all, thanx for the input, I have checked out most of the glass engraving sites...and was a little suspicious of the claims they made.....high speed/heat/etc., I have allready started a marketing program in regard's to auto glass engraving [the more thing's change, the more they stay the same]...I used to see this work in my early year's.......I am looking at detail accents only....as I currently do sandblasted glass on auto's/etc......Your input has reinforced my opinion and I really have to thank all of you, for the valuable advice.......
PS: I am getting $100.00 per graphic [drivers window/passenger window] that's $100.oo each side, my intention is to "upscale" with cut detail's and hopefully find the high end market for this style of work
Again, thanx for your input.....Ron
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Posted by PKing (Member # 337) on :
I belive I would rather use the hand held engraving tool like chisels that glass cutters use for engraving your initials in your wedding glass sets! Very CLEAN Lines,Very"Classy"Look,Reeks of Professionalism. CJ Allan might be able to help you on this request.
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Posted by ron norwood (Member # 1492) on :
That, PKing, is exactly what I want to achieve.....a combination of sand carved/etched/engraved/guilded.....ahhhh I could go on and on.........Ron
------------------ "Of all the things I've lost in my life...I miss my mind the most" Ron Norwood 6732 Raleigh Street Vancouver, BC V5S 2X1 Phone/Fax: (604) 437-0899 email.hitest@mailcity.com
